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To: LindyBill who wrote (954)8/22/2008 5:21:51 PM
From: mistermj  Respond to of 39288
 
Vitamin D Toxicity Fear Unwarranted

Appendix D

The following was written by The Vitamin D Council Executive Director: John Jacob Cannell, MD

Vitamin D Toxicity Fear Unwarranted

His conclusions: fear of vitamin D toxicity is unwarranted, and such unwarranted fear, bordering on hysteria, is rampant in the medical profession. Vieth R, Chan PC, MacFarlane GDEfficacy and safety of vitamin D3 intake exceeding the lowest observed adverse effect level.Am J Clin Nutr. 2001 Feb;73(2):288B94 Even Ian Monroe, the chair of the relevant IOM committee, wrote to the Journal to compliment Vieth's work and to promise his findings will be considered at the time of a future Institute of Medicine review. Munro IDerivation of tolerable upper intake levels of nutrients.Letter, Am J Clin Nutr. 2001;74:865 That was more than two years ago.

In 1999, Vieth indirectly asked the medical community to produce any evidence 10,000 units of vitamin D a day was toxic, saying "Throughout my preparation of this review, I was amazed at the lack of evidence supporting statements about the toxicity of moderate doses of vitamin D." He added: "If there is published evidence of toxicity in adults from an intake of 250 ug (10,000 IU) per day, and that is verified by the 25(OH)D concentration, I have yet to find it." Vieth RVitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration, and safety.Am J Clin Nutr. 1999;69:842B56

Like most medication, cholecalciferol is certainly toxic in excess, and, like Coumadin, is used as a rodent poison for this purpose. Animal data indicates signs of toxicity can occur with ingestion of 0.5 mg/kg (20,000 IU/kg ), while the oral LD50 (the dose it takes to kill half the animals) for cholecalciferol in dogs is about 88 mg/kg, or 3,520,000 IU/kg. An Overview of Cholecalciferol Toxicosis.The American Board of Veterinary Toxicology (ABVT) This would be equivalent to a 110-pound adult taking 176,000,000 IU or 440,000 of the 400 unit cholecalciferol capsules. Vieth reports human toxicity probably begins to occur after chronic daily consumption of approximately 40,000 IU/day (100 of the 400 IU capsules). Vieth RVitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration, and safety.Am J Clin Nutr. 1999;69:842B56 Heavy sun exposure when combined with excessive supplement use is a theoretical risk for vitamin D toxicity, but if such a case has been reported, I am not aware of it. Physician ignorance about vitamin D toxicity is widespread. A case report of four patients appeared in the 1997 Annals of Internal Medicine, accompanied by and editorial warning about vitamin D toxicity. Adams JS, Lee GGains in bone mineral density with resolution of vitamin D intoxication.Ann Intern Med. 1997 Aug 1;127(3):203B6 Marriott BMVitamin D supplementation: a word of caution.Ann Intern Med. 1997 Aug 1;127(3):231B3 However, careful examination of the patients reveals that both papers are a testimony to the fact that incompetence about vitamin D toxicity can reach the highest levels of academia. Vieth RVitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration, and safety.Am J Clin Nutr. 1999;69:842B56 Heaney R, Davies K, Chen T, Holick M, Barger-Lux MJHuman serum 25 hydroxycholecalciferol response to extended oral dosing with cholecalciferol.Am J Clin Nutr. 2003;77:204B10 See Worst Science for a full critique.

Cholecalciferol, Not Ergocalciferol, Is Safe

Although there are documented cases of pharmacological overdoses from ergocalciferol, the only documented case of pharmacological, not industrial, toxicity from cholecalciferol we could find in the literature was intoxication from over-the-counter supplement called Prolongevity. Koutkia P, Chen TC, Holick MFVitamin D intoxication associated with an over-the-counter supplement.N Engl J Med. 2001 Jul 5;345(1):66B7 On closer inspection, it seemed more like an industrial accident but is interesting because it gives us some idea of the safety of cholecalciferol. The capsules consumed contained up to 430 times the amount of cholecalciferol contained on the label (2,000 IU). The man had been taking between 156,000B2,604,000 IU of cholecalciferol a day (equivalent to between 390B6,500 of the 400 unit capsules) for two years. He recovered uneventfully after the proper diagnosis, treatment with steroids and sunscreen.

It is true that a few people may have problems with high calcium due to undiagnosed vitamin D hypersensitivity syndromes such as primary hyperparathyroidism, granulomatous disease or occult cancers but a blood calcium level, PTH, 25(OH)D, and calcitriol level should help clarify the cause of the hypersensitivity. Although D can be toxic in excess, the same can be said for water.

Therapeutic Index

As a physician, I know that psychotic patients should drink about eight glasses of water a day. However, many would hurt themselves by regularly drinking 40 glasses a day (called compulsive water intoxication). So you could say that water has a therapeutic index of five (40/8).

Heaney's recent research indicates that healthy humans utilize about 4,000 units of vitamin D a day (from all sources). Heaney R, Davies K, Chen T, Holick M, Barger-Lux MJHuman serum 25 hydroxycholecalciferol response to extended oral dosing with cholecalciferol.Am J Clin Nutr. 2003;77:204B10 However, 40,000 units a day will hurt them (over several years). Vieth RVitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration, and safety.Am J Clin Nutr. 1999;69:842B56 Therefore, vitamin D has a therapeutic index of 10 (40,000/4,000), twice as safe as water. Although we are not saying it is as safe as water, we are saying vitamin D is safe when used in the doses nature uses.

Sun Supplies 10,000 Units Of Vitamin D

The single most important fact anyone needs to know about vitamin D is how much nature supplies if we behave naturally, e.g., go into the sun. Humans make at least 10,000 units of vitamin D within 30 minutes of full body exposure to the sun (minimal erythemal dose). Holick MFEnvironmental factors that influence the cutaneous production of vitamin D.Am J Clin Nutr. 1995 Mar;61(3 Suppl):638SB645S Vitamin D production in the skin occurs within minutes and is already maximized before your skin turns pink.

Fear of the fatal form of skin cancer, malignant melanoma, keeps many people out of the sun. The problem with the theory is that the incidence of melanoma continues to increase dramatically although many people have been completely avoiding the sun for years. Hemminki K, Zhang H, Czene KIncidence trends and familial risks in invasive and in situ cutaneous melanoma by sun-exposed body sites.Int J Cancer. 2003 May 10;104(6):764B71 We are not saying sunburns are safe, they are not. We are saying that brief full body sun exposure (minimal erythemal doses) may slightly increase your risk of skin cancer but it is a much smarter thing to do than dying of vitamin D deficiency.

Hypersensitivity, Not Toxicity

Vitamin D hypersensitivity syndromes are often mistaken for vitamin D toxicity. The most common is primary hyperparathyroidism. Other syndromes occur when abnormal tissue subverts the kidney's normal regulation of endocrine calcitriol production. Aberrant tissues, usually granulomatous, convert 25(OH)D into calcitriol causing high blood calcium. The most common such condition is sarcoidosis, oat cell carcinoma of the lung and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma but other illness can cause the syndrome and they can occur while the patient's 25(OH)D levels are normal or even low. For that reason, while rare, it is advisable to seek a knowledgeable physician's care when repleting your vitamin D system, especially if you are older, have sarcoidosis, cancer or other granulomatous diseases. In such high-risk patients, periodic monitoring of 25(OH)D levels and serum calcium will alert the physician to the need to do more tests, such as calcitriol or PTH, and take further action.

However, it seems clear that restoring physiological serum levels of 25(OH)D will help many more patients that it will hurt. In fact, living in America today while worrying about vitamin D toxicity is like dying of thirst in the desert while worrying about drowning.

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To: LindyBill who wrote (954)8/23/2008 10:12:49 PM
From: dylan murphy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39288
 
Hello Lindy, very nice informative thread. I've not had any health problems yet but a few years ago I got interested in own health and future. The only way I knew to measure that was by the numbers. The only number I haven't been able to get into a good range has been HDL. Last year I tested 40, but before that it has stayed in the mid 30's.

It looked like the best way to raise that number would be with niacin. What I don't like is all the problems and potential problems along with three different kinds you can take.

With all the news on Vitamin D3 is there still a reason to take such large doses of Niacin? Maybe a small amount to get some benefit and still don't have any liver problems? If Vitamin D3 can get the HDL in the right range isn't that the main goal?

I've bookmarked many post here that come from the Track Your Plaque site for further study. I'm also looking more into the heart scan test.



To: LindyBill who wrote (954)5/29/2012 5:37:52 PM
From: The Dodgy Ticker3 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39288
 
OT: Vit D too much increases all cause mortality too...

Abstact at: jcem.endojournals.org

2012-05-29

Too much vitamin D can be as unhealthy as too little
Pharmaceutical research Scientists know that Vitamin D deficiency is not healthy. However, new research from the University of Copenhagen now indicates that too high a level of the essential vitamin is not good either. The study is based on blood samples from 247,574 Copenhageners. The results have just been published in the reputed scientific Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism.


Vitamin D is instrumental in helping calcium reach our bones, thus lessening the risk from falls and the risk of broken hips. Research suggests that vitamin D is also beneficial in combating cardiac disease, depression and certain types of cancers. The results from a study conducted by the Faculty of Health and Medical Sciences now support the benefits of vitamin D in terms of mortality risk. However, the research results also show higher mortality in people with too high levels of vitamin D in their bloodstream:

"We have had access to blood tests from a quarter of a million Copenhageners. We found higher mortality in people with a low level of vitamin D in their blood, but to our surprise, we also found it in people with a high level of vitamin D. We can draw a graph showing that perhaps it is harmful with too little and too much vitamin D," explains Darshana Durup, PhD student.

If the blood contains less than 10 nanomol (nmol) of vitamin per liter of serum, mortality is 2.31 times higher. However, if the blood contains more than 140 nmol of vitamin per liter of serum, mortality is higher by a factor of 1.42. Both values are compared to 50 nmol of vitamin per liter of serum, where the scientists see the lowest mortality rate.

More studies are needed Darshana Durup emphasises that while scientists do not know the cause of the higher mortality, she believes that the new results can be used to question the wisdom of those people who claim that you can never get too much vitamin D:

"It is important to conduct further studies in order to understand the relationship. A lot of research has been conducted on the risk of vitamin D deficiency. However, there is no scientific evidence for a ‘more is better’ argument for vitamin D, and our study does not support the argument either. We hope that our study will inspire others to study the cause of higher mortality with a high level of vitamin D," says Darshana Durup. She adds:

"We have moved into a controversial area that stirs up strong feelings just like debates on global warming and research on nutrition. But our results are based on a quarter of a million blood tests and provide an interesting starting point for further research."

The largest study of its kind The study is the largest of its kind – and it was only possible to conduct it because of Denmark’s civil registration system, which is unique in the Nordic countries. The 247,574 blood samples come from the Copenhagen General Practitioners Laboratory:

"Our data material covers a wide age range. The people who participated had approached their own general practitioners for a variety of reasons and had had the vitamin D level in their bloodstream measured in that context. This means that while the study can show a possible association between mortality and a high level of vitamin D, we cannot as yet explain the higher risk," explains Darshana Durup.

Therefore in future research project scientists would like to compare the results with information from disease registers such as the cancer register. Financial support is currently being sought for such projects.

Contact: Darshana Durup, PhD student
Mobile phone: +45 61 70 51 92

A reverse j-shaped curve Scientists have measured 25-hydroxyvitamin D (in nanomol per liter of serum).

The study’s conclusion: If the blood contains more than 140 nmol vitamin per liter of serum, the mortality rate is higher by a factor of 1.42. However, the mortality rate is higher by a factor of 2.31, if the blood contains less than 10 nmol vitamin per liter of serum. Both figures are considered in relation to 50 nmol vitamin per liter of serum, where scientists found the lowest level of mortality risk.