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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (82292)	9/5/2008 12:36:27 AM
From: Rambi	Respond to of 542114

Totally agree. You did a great job of saying what I was trying to.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (82292)	9/5/2008 9:03:11 AM
From: biotech_bull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542114

Ed, I agree he made a good case for "deserving" the Presidency based on his service. I really wasn't convinced that 1. He'll be an agent of change - trying to delegate that to an unproven Palin just doesn't cut it 2. He is not 4 more years of Bush - not mentioning his name and hollow promises may convince some. Bush didn't set out to be Bush intentionally or maliciously, he was incompetent & overmatched plain and simple 3. He has the ability to solve complex problems - saying stuff like he'll bring jobs that 'won't leave' without specifics is not exactly inspiring, especially from a candidate who's weak in Economics But that's just me - the key is how the working class folks in MI & OH respond over the next 60 days. It's all about the economy- the rest, I think, is just noise BB

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (82292)	9/5/2008 10:12:41 AM
From: Suma	Respond to of 542114

I agree with you Ed. And not happy about the evidence that looks like another victory in the Fall for the Republicans. Palin has the right wingers swinging from the trees and although we all know she had her speech written for her and only had to read it off the teleprompter she did a worth presentation. I don't like knocking other's the way the PFP thread does. If I picked up all the nasty words that are used there to describe anyone who's views differ from ours there would be a plethora.. They seem not to put things in balance,rather they label over and over the Democrats as evil and that the campaign against Sarah was perpetrated by the Democrats when actually I believe the media did most of the digging and presented the fact. Then those in control staged the entire performance perfectly with the families on the stage, the boyfriend,and the new baby. It almost took my heart too.. However I can never believe that we would have a change when the stand of Ms. Palin's is anti so many things. She seems to have a closed mind. I know my contractor who was here last night said, boy I like that woman. Wasn't she great. I told our preacher, I'm voting for her. I said Clarence, wait until all the data is in. Let's see how the whole thing plays out. I had mentioned before that preacher's here in the South play a big role on how people vote. AND Sarah stands for a lot of what they believe in. Well we have a long 60 days ahead. ..

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (82292)	9/5/2008 10:47:16 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542114

Interesting comments, Ed. As I said to Sam, I didn't see the speech. But the commentators I watched for just a bit this morning, including Scarborough were definitely not impressed. General line was badly written, no theme, and badly delivered. And, worst of all, in Ron Silver's eyes, badly staged. A negative home run.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (82292)	9/5/2008 10:48:28 PM
From: Bridge Player	Respond to of 542114

I think this speech, if it had the big audience of Obama/Palin speeches, will move a lot of moderates into his column and I wouldn't be surprised to see him take a single digit lead. From Nielsen Media Research....... .......... .......... .......... This week's ratings, with an average of 34.5 million viewers watching the GOP convention over three days, proved people are becoming more interested in what the Republicans have to say. The Democrats had an average audience of 30.2 million over four days, Nielsen said. "No one really thought they had it in them in terms of pulling off this amazing convention," said Jay Wallace, vice president for news and editorial at Fox News Channel. But Hurricane Gustav pulled people into the news networks over the weekend, he said. People were also intensely curious about McCain's pick of Palin as a running mate, he said. Nielsen said that 38.9 million people watched McCain accept the GOP nomination Thursday on either ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel or MSNBC. PBS, which has a more imprecise estimate based on samples in a few big cities, said 3.5 million watched on its network. Last week, Obama's speech in Denver was seen by 38.4 million on 10 different commercial networks, and an additional 4 million on PBS. Add it up, and that's McCain, 42.4 million, to Obama, 42.4 million. No one can really tell who truly had the biggest audience, since C-SPAN also showed the speeches, and Nielsen doesn't measure the cable channel's viewers. But if the presidential vote is this close on Nov. 4, it will be a long night. McCain may have caught a break Thursday when the opening NFL game between the New York Giants and Washington Redskins finished a couple of minutes before the Republican took the stage, Wallace said. More men (17.9 million) watched McCain speak than watched Obama (16.2 million), Nielsen said. "The storylines this year have been so amazing," Wallace said. "It really got started with Hillary and Obama—that got everyone in middle America watching. They got caught up in the drama of it." The numbers put to rest the thought that politics has been a turnoff and death for ratings, which has long been gospel at the TV networks, Rosenstiel said. ............ ............ ............ breitbart.com