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To: Katelew who wrote (83195)	9/9/2008 8:00:52 PM
From: slacker711	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542054

These are reasonable observations that I feel sure others have noticed, so I honestly don't know why you seem to be offended. If somebody had said the exact same thing about African-American people, would you wonder why they would be offended? Slacker

To: Katelew who wrote (83195)	9/9/2008 10:43:40 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542054

Never heard the saying that the worst kid in town is always the minister's kid? From what I've seen easy going parents, religious or non-religious, have the best kids. Hard asses raise rebels.

To: Katelew who wrote (83195)	9/10/2008 10:40:30 AM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 542054

...so I honestly don't know why you seem to be offended. I believe you when you say you "honestly don't know." I believed you when you said that about not knowing any downside to organized prayer in schools. On that latter subject, I refer you to this transaction between you and Wharf Rat. Wharf Rat: "I find it offensive to push yer Jesus at my kids and me." Kate: "I can imagine and regret this is probably often the case for you. It must be irritating to all minority religions operating in this country." So, when it was pointed out to you, you acknowledged some downside. Perhaps you now recognize how disrespectful it is to non-Christians to hold Christian prayers in schools. And, although it wasn't discussed directly and at length, how that puts the government in a position of choosing one religion over another and treats those not of that religion as second class citizens. You can no longer legitimately claim to honestly not know any downside. The best you can honestly do now is to say you do recognize the downside but prefer to ignore it for your own reasons. As for being offended, I was not. I was simply surprised at you, startled by cognitive dissonance, just as you would likely be startled to find a couple of churched kids having sex in the school broom closet. These are reasonable observations that I feel sure others have noticed, I haven't noticed anyone seconding your "reasonable observations." I note this response to Slacker: "Hmmmm....I get your point. I would indeed choose my words more carefully before saying something similar about kids coming out of AA families." So you can no longer claim to "honestly not know." I have been charitable in my responses to you thus far. Going forward, I would be fully justified in applying an ugly label to your, er, attitude towards a maligned minority, although choose not to go there. As for "reasonable observations," and continuing in charitable mode, may I suggest that you may be generalizing too much from the culture of your own community, which may indeed have fallen into a churched/unchurched dichotomy or may just seem so through your prism. My own community is pretty unchurched. The recreation areas and the stores are full on Sunday mornings and they don't show up dressed like they were on their way to or from church. There are no church goers in my immediate circle of friends, no believers, actually, and no one among my regular associates to whom you would apply the word, "religious" other than one ninety something aunt. My friends and acquaintances are all very decent people and fine citizens. And they raised decent kids, not school trouble-makers. As for churching, at most they sent their kids to Sunday school while they played golf. There does not appear to me to be any correlation between non-believers/non-churched and trouble-making, not in my world. The culture here just doesn't break down that way. Which means that such a cultural dichotomy, while perhaps sometimes appearing locally, is not a universal given. And one could probably make a similar observation about one parent homes vs. two parent homes. I think you'd be on firmer ground there. You'd have some logic and data to support you.