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To: slacker711 who wrote (84584)	9/15/2008 1:22:47 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541248

slacker711; If you dont recognise that people place a value on those issues, you are never going to understand why Democrats lose elections What do you mean that people "place a value on those issues"? Isn't there always two sides to these issues? For abortion for instance, it's not that one sides wants abortion and one side doesn't. Both sides don't want abortions, it just that some people think it is not the governments role to decide questions of morality. In the creationism debate that sure has been gaining ground lately. its not that some believe in God and others don't; its that some see evolution differently. When talking about the culture wars, I am talking about access to abortion, gay rights, censorship of sex or violence in the media, religion in schools, and the rest of the values issues...nothing to do with Iraq Of course, I was too. All the gains with perhaps the exception of gay rights, I think are sliding back to more conservative thinking. That Palin and her positions on all these social conservative issues has been nominated as a VP, I think would have been inconceivable 10 or 20 years ago. steve

To: slacker711 who wrote (84584)	9/15/2008 1:30:10 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541248

When talking about the culture wars, I am talking about access to abortion, gay rights, censorship of sex or violence in the media, religion in schools, and the rest of the values issues.. You're looking at the political progression of change. The behavioral progression is not the same thing. There's a political war and a street-level war. For example, nudity may be more or less prevalent in the culture independent of any successes on the political front to change portrayals via increasing or reducing censorship in the media. Censorship might be increasing via law while nudity is declining. It might also be increasing by law while nudity is increasing. The culture is not necessarily affected by political changes and, when it is, they might not move in the same direction. It seems to me that the street-level culture war is resolving toward the liberal and that the political war is petty much at a standstill.