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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (50850)	10/9/2008 2:10:33 PM
From: cirrus	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224729

It seems we agree on more than school vouchers. I support a woman's right to choose, but not at 8 1/2 months. Two or three months might be more like it. With the right to choose comes responsibility, and choosing within a reasonable time frame is a responsibility. Sarah Palin and the religious right, however, feel it's not a woman's right - its their right to decide for you. I don't object to government wiretaping or other invasive measures necessary to protect us from the lunatics. I don't care if every phone conversation is recorded, every e-mail copied and every financial transaction logged and then applying software to tag specific items for further investigation. BUT if the data suggests opening a single e-mail for manual viewing - GET A COURT ORDER. We need the checks and balances and there are special courts available to get warrants quickly. The problem I have is that the Bush administration wants full authority and no accountability. No way. Health insurance? Even at 52 I'd be OK under McCain's plan because I have no pre-existing conditions and my parents lived long lives. However, private insurers want to insure only the low risk, healthy segment of the population. Those with pre-existing conditions are screwed and pay rates so high they might as well not have insurance. McCain, with what, four cancers, doesn't stand a chance of an individual policy at reasonable rates. So what happens? People don't get insurance. The hospitals start throwing people out on the streets. The government responds to the outcry and starts picking up the tab. Viola! Partially socialized health care. We might as well grab the bull by the horns, as did every other civilized nation, and organize the system so in some way shape or form everyone gets covered. If you don't like the term "socialism" rename it to something more agreeable. Oil prices? Remember oil is priced in dollars. The dollar declines, oil rises. Why did the dollar fall in value? Runaway deficit spending. We saw that starting early in Bush's first term as the tax cuts kicked in and revenues started lagging expenditures. The world knows that the only way we're going to get out of out of our current multi trillion debt is to devalue the dollar, either via a combination of market forces or inflation.

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (50850)	10/9/2008 4:21:02 PM
From: MJ	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224729

Thanks to Goldworldnet on the Palin board-------helps to put elections in perspective. President Reagan started with a 28% favorable rating in the spring of 1984 in Fairfax County, Virginia----in Northern Virginia. By the time the election was held, Reagan captured somewhere near to 70% of some of the precincts. This race is too close to call in spite of the polls claiming huge margins for Obama. See Zogby's comments about the current election and the Reagan election. "Pollster: Don’t believe the Dem hype" By Joe Dwinell & Jessica Fargen \| Wednesday, October 8, \| 2008 Pres. Campaign 2008 bostonherald.com The presidential race is still too close to call and could come down to the very last weekend before voters decide if they like or distrust Barack Obama, a national pollster predicts. “I don’t think Obama has closed the deal yet,” pollster John Zogby told the Herald yesterday. Zogby’s latest poll, released yesterday in conjunction with C-Span and Reuters, shows Obama and John McCain in a statistical dead heat, with the Illinois Democrat up 48-45 percent. Zogby said the race mirrors the 1980 election, when voters didn’t embrace Ronald Reagan over then-President Jimmy Carter until just days before the election. “The Sunday before the election the dam burst,” Zogby said of the 1980 tilt. “That’s when voters determined they were comfortable with Reagan.” Now voters are wrestling with two senators with opposite resumes - Obama, at 47, the unknown, and the established 72-year-old McCain. Zogby said he’s still hearing from moderates and non-partisan voters - what he calls “the big middle” - who are still shopping for a candidate. “It still can break one way or the other,” Zogby says. The Numbers The three-day survey polled 1,220 likely voters - about 400 people a day. Zogby will continuously poll right up until the November election. The latest poll numbers may reflect the bump that McCain received after his running mate, Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin sparred with Obama’s running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden during the first and only vice presidential debate last week. The poll shows that the two White House contenders have no problem attracting support from their own parties. Obama is winning 84 percent of the Democratic Party support and McCain has 85 percent of the GOP support, but Obama has the edge among sought-after Independent voters. He leads McCain among independents, 48 percent to 39 percent, according to the poll. Obama also has support from a slightly higher percent of conservative voters than McCain gets from liberal voters, but the advantage is small, according to the poll. Pollsters surveyed 1,220 likely voters and asked approximately 39 questions. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.9 percentage points." mj