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To: epicure who wrote (89735)	10/12/2008 11:48:24 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541925

<<<no matter how much people want to call things "right" and "wrong", there really isn't any right or wrong wrt how you want society to be- it's just about what kind of world/society you want to live in.>>> Style is one thing and substance is something else. People, as a rule, get wiser as they grow older. They are able to sort out style from substance. But, there are a lot of people that do not get wiser as they grow older. But, over the long term, maybe more than a generation or two, maybe after many generations "right" wins over "wrong". You can see the direction that civilization is heading. War is wrong and will be on it's way out. People killing people is wrong. It is on the way out. Judging people superficially (by, race gender, or some other physical attribute) is wrong and is on its way out. Most primitive religious beliefs are wrong and they (although it may take more time) are on te way out. The theory of evolution is a better explanation of how the world works. The right wing is (for the most part) on the wrong side of where civilization is headed. There is "right" and "wrong". It is not about "style" or being politically chic.

To: epicure who wrote (89735)	10/13/2008 7:45:01 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541925

As such, no matter how much people want to call things "right" and "wrong", there really isn't any right or wrong wrt how you want society to be- it's just about what kind of world/society you want to live in. But there are objectively better or worse approaches for getting there. One can objectively determine or project the effectiveness and cost effectiveness of various approaches. Unless, of course, we carry relativity to the point where we consider ineffective as a legitimate choice for "how you want society to be." because the choice to be liberal or conservative is one that stems from personality, and the way you want society to be I've been thinking about that since you wrote it. I think it's more a function of which culture you fell into by happenstance of birth, geography, whatever. You accept the values, mores, shibboleths, etc. of your "club." Now, some people, by way of personality, have a greater need to belong than others or a greater independent streak so they may conform or rebel against their default "club." Some may leave and stay independent or join another "club." But, for the entrenched, I think being conservative or liberal is much like one's religion, mostly a matter of happenstance sustained by inertia and a need to belong.