To: pogohere who wrote (41352 ) 10/14/2008 7:54:07 PM From: TobagoJack 1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217755 the proof is everywhere you choose to turn away from i.e. argentina, brazil, congo, detroit, england, ... iceland ... usa, to start, zimbabwe to end what, you think zimbabwe dollar is easier to counterfeit than usdollar, or do you believe it is a more successful fraud than fiat money in france? i am not here to prove anything, couldn't be bothered, and believe one can prove anything in economics in theory. but i do not wish to lose wealth, and so i position as i talk, cash, gold, unleveraged real estate, energy shares, and am considering gold mining shares. prove? who has the time for that? now, how are you positioned, should you care to share, as guided by your script that supposedly refutes my script? just in in-tray'money sitting in vaults' or their electronic equivalents these days is representative of the rising demand for cash balances. however, there is a limit to this demand. one of the drivers of a higher demand for cash balances are actually rising prices (i.e., the effect of previous inflationary policy). prices are now falling however, as can be seen in the raw materials indices - this is to say the very prices that determine much of the short term needs for high cash balances (energy, food) are now plunging. therefore we are getting closer to the point where supply and demand for money will be in balance and go the other way; this is also true in the context of the deleveraging cycle , which likely has not yet run its course, but has made big strides already. while e.g. margin loans remain way too high to call for a low in this cycle, we also know that banks have been hoarding cash, and so have hedge funds. meanwhile, there is now a global drive toward devaluing money in an attempt to stop the falling credit house of cards to inflict too much damage on all those who were so responsible to mire themselves up to their eyeballs in debt. this is slightly different from Japan's odd man out situation in the 90's, when Japan's liquidity pumping was used mainly to inflate asset prices elsewhere. so we do have a new situation here, also due to the fact that the reaction to the unfolding crisis has been so massive. so there is an important question one must consider - with governments destroying the village to save it, how long before trust in the actual root cause of the boom/bust - the 'flexible currencies' and the central banks issuing them - finally erodes? if we consider the state of central bank balance sheets it appears that point can not be too long in coming. Lance was correct in naming Iceland as an example for what happens when the government is totally overwhelmed - we know that Iceland's stock market has collapsed more totally than any other, but what is not much talked about is that its currency has basically - disappeared. it has disappeared from trading that is. no-one currently knows what the Icelandic crown is worth, if anything. it doesn't trade anymore. in this situation, is it better to hold Icelandic crowns, or gold? when all else fails, the world's stock of gold IS the money supply.