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To: Jeff Jordan who wrote (26511)	10/21/1997 4:37:00 PM
From: ViperChick Secret Agent 006.9	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 58727

Jeff now you reminded... place 6 on the pass after the comeout if 6 or 8 10 on the odds... but it seems like I was putting more one dollar chips out...got to think about this one this is the one the guy was calling total 30...i think Jeff..do you "crap" for a living?!?!?!?! you are right...options are easier if you can decide you entry and exit points cant get good odds on a riverboat Electric: last time I played was in the bahamas a few months ago nope..that is wrong...went acouple of months ago to peoria...I get a free suite there AG postponing by a day going before Congress according to CNBC 29th beige book and employment cost coming out Wohlman on CNBC..think he wants "PEACE IN THE FAMILY" before going before Congress.

To: Jeff Jordan who wrote (26511)	10/22/1997 1:28:00 AM
From: ViperChick Secret Agent 006.9	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 58727

Jeff- off topic Craps - the ADVANCED CLASS <odds are 6 pays 7 behind the pass line for 6/8 you got the odds right...but now some places have 100x odds, so if you have a $5 pass bet and the point is 6/8 the odds can be $600pays $700 the pass line pays $5> Okay...I put on my C&E hat to figure out this "total 30" business. odds on the PASS LINE for a 6-8 are 6 for 5 not 7 for 6...that's the place bet. SO...if you are dealing with a gambling boat that only gives you 2x odds here is what you do...on the 6 & 8 they will let you go 2.5x odds if you bet 5 most people put down 10 odds BUT if you bet *6* you can put down 15 for odds...that pays you 18 plus your 6 is 24 they take away your 6 pass line bet and THAT is why they call it "total 30" that is the BEST bet when doing 6 or 8 on a 2x odds gambling boat and THAT is what I am talking about when utilizing the house rules and odds to your advantage....but I cant take credit for that bet..someone had to show me why it made sense in the first place...which is why i had to sit and stew on it for awhile to remember it.