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To: ViperChick Secret Agent 006.9 who wrote (26512)	10/21/1997 5:51:00 PM
From: Electric	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 58727

Lisa, I am the craps prince then..lmao!! I am not exactly with Jeff on the bet 6 if 8 is the come out for a few reasons. True 6 is sister to 8, BUT.... I kinda throw the odds out and look at reality... over the long run, yes 6 and 8 are the best probabilities, but also they are the low pay, so 10 odds=12 pay (on pass back odds) I say do this.... 8 is come out.. cool... I like 8, it is my number... If I am placing I go 9... why? The odds are better, place it, say for 10 get the 12 back, then go to 6.. I have seen over and over that 9 will hit more than one of the 6 or 8... I love 9. If I win it is due to my lucky 9.. Another thing I do if the ship is rocky in craps... I will hold out on the come out and wait until the numer is established, then I will place the point... by placing the chip on the rim of the pass line. This eliminated the 2 3 12 on come out and combines the odds.. If the numer out is 5... I place the point with 5 or 10, get the 7 to 5 odds... not too shabby if gramps is rolling craps on the come out.. So your in or near Ill?? Lived there a few years myself... Still follow the Cards, I lived in lower IL and Mo... The market is crazy!!! Up up UP!!! Does anyone have any feel on LU??? Beats the street and goes up 1/4.. Electric

To: ViperChick Secret Agent 006.9 who wrote (26512)	10/21/1997 6:15:00 PM
From: Nemer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 58727

CaT babe: Well, we're gonna hafta change the name of the thread to TSO and Craps 101.......gggg Glad I've been through all that stuff ya'll are talkin bout. One of my college roomies was from Vegas and his family owned a motel my brother in law ( USAF ret ) lives there now and sells real estate and a good friend ( real live walkin, talkin, gambler , that's all he does ) lives in Loughlin. ----->you are right...options are easier if you can decide you entry and exit points Easiest of all is go to the race book---sit down, be comfortable, and not be bumped around by the crowd. Find a horse track being simulcast that has a rail bias, specially in the wet, and bet the inside early speed. Now that is what EASY is.......gggg Lotsa times the average payoff is better than 10/1 and that's NICE........ Uh oh, I can feel O J making a run for his keyboard and ya'll might get a small dose of racing B S and half truths from both of us cause horsey folks can talk bout bettin lots more and at further legnth than crappy people..........vbggggg Regards----Nemer