To: TimF who wrote (144255 ) 10/30/2008 3:15:06 PM From: geode00 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976 No, breathing is involuntary. Even if you knock yourself unconscious you will still breathe. Taxes are voluntary. If you do not pay them you will suffer the consequences. You can also voluntarily choose to avoid taxes by going off somewhere and living off the land. You may not like the rules but that doesn't mean you are devoid of choice. You don't have to contact the IRS. Simply make too little to be taxed, don't own property, don't make other transactions that are taxed. It isn't pleasant and, obviously, you don't want to do it. That means that the money you pay out to taxes has a return that is more beneficial. You may want to pay less (who doesn't) and get more (who doesn't) but that doesn't make the situation any different. You pay taxes in order to receive benefits. "The portion of government spending needed to maintain those things is fairly small, certainly much less than a half, likely less than a tenth, possibly even a lot less." Where are your numbers? This is your simply your opinion. Tax Policy Center: "Payments to individuals, governments, or businesses that, under law, must be made to all those eligible and for which funds do not have to be appropriated in advance." What specifically is your problem with these? So, the government has obligations every year. So what? You dislike entitlements because they are constant obligations but you are ok with the WS bailout because they are not? What? I'm telling you to get off the grid so that you can PROVE YOUR POINT. If what you receive in return for your taxes is so poor, get out of this society and get a better return for your labor. OK, then get rid of all subsidies including the bail out money for WS, commercial banks, insurance companies, MMFs, car companies and (god forbid) insurance companies. Get rid of all of our subsidies for Iraq. We can also stop subsidizing state and local government activities of all kinds or are you just talking about subsidies to anyone in the private sector? So you are saying that it isn't ok to fund Medicare in the future but it is perfectly ok to give $125 billion to AIG because, well, they already have it? What? Your ideas are completely arbitrary and rather nutty.