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To: TimF who wrote (94336)	11/6/2008 12:18:19 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541559

Obviously, the abortion issue isn't something we can solve, since many don't consider a fetus a human being with full rights. And many don't believe it should be. As for more stringent abortion laws, didn't two attempts at that get voted down this week? If the Evangelicals had their way, and they certainly tried with Bush, we would see prayer in school and creationism being taught in the classroom. We fight it constantly in Texas. So when McCain brings in a fundamentalist who grants NO exceptions for abortion, and believes creationism is on an equal scientific footing with evolution...... Bush and the slashing of budgets for birth control, most especially abortion, have been in the news for years... just this past summer, I seem to remember some big uproar. Too lazy to Google, but did google Bush and birth control, and tons of stories pop up. When the Republican party allows its identification to lean too far to the Evangelical right, it is going to lose people in the middle. You can be as logical as you want, and you always are, but the Rep have some work to do to overcome the perceptions of where they are currently. Doesn't matter who made the laws, the more inclusive party NOW is the Dems. The Reps have made too many of us feel unwelcome these past 8 years.

To: TimF who wrote (94336)	11/6/2008 1:01:03 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541559

Tim, I think you miss Rambi's points. She says, some of those "values" may not be as attractive as they once were. Or rather, they won't have the same priority. Firstly, younger people are basically less bothered about other people's choices and behaviour. Their morality is far more about live-and-let-live and far less about restricting anyone else's behaviour. And being younger they aren't attached to tradition, by "what used to be acceptable" because to them that's just history. So proscriptive and prescriptive rules on personal behaviour, both more the Republican stance, are less attractive. And secondly, even if the young (sub-25) by and large agree with the Republican positions on social issues - which IMO is a big if - they are mostly not very bothered by them, in either direction. They're not such significant issues, even if they care. So harping on about them as dominant issues to sway the vote isn't going to be so attractive even to those more inclined to agree. But it probably will motivate the majority to vote otherwise, because it makes the party pushing these issues seem both against their views AND irrelevant.