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To: Katelew who wrote (94854)	11/8/2008 4:49:58 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541436

So you believe in the state's right to legislate and control all behavior that could cause anyone spiritual harm? Using state constitutions to impose religious views is one step away from a theocracy, in fact less than one step. What do we do once we have accepted theocratic government and government is taken over by a religious faction that will harm you spiritually, according to your theology which is just one out of hundreds in the world? Then you are really in trouble, mortal soul kind of peril, all because you opened the door to having the state impose religious views when those views should be something for people to COME TO, not have SHOVED ON THEM by a coercive power.

To: Katelew who wrote (94854)	11/8/2008 6:32:27 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541436

I do understand your vote and your justification. You can do nothing different than what you did. I don't believe it is my job to make moral choices for people. By allowing a behavior, I neither approve of it nor prevent it. I am my brother's keeper only if he desires some keeping. Anything beyond that becomes controlling. I do realize that for the orderly conduct of our nation we have to have laws that protect, and if I believed that this was dangerous to the fabric of our society, I would consider it differently. But experience has shown that so many of these "destructive" issues based on bigotry turned out to be toothless in reality and in truth made us stronger for our acceptance of them. The Mormons had to revise their thinking on Blacks (or at least publicly they did) even though Joseph Smith declared his words scripturally based. I can hope that they will revisit their view on gays someday, perhaps if science can prove without any doubt at all that it's not a choice- though they have done so to the satisfaction of a majority. Allowing someone into the church based on his denying his own integrity, asking for help to become other than what God made him, that is not acceptance, imo, but I know you see it otherwise, and I do understand. I understand that for you in the spiritual realm, these are problems. And that you don't separate the two.