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To: i-node who wrote (435401)11/18/2008 12:24:06 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1587368
 
Fully half of Hitlers 25 points are in direct alignment with modern-day progressivism found in this country.

If so, pure coincidence......the major tenets of fascism more closely align with conservatism than liberalism

The concept of fascism is the importance of the homeland. All citizens must be committed to its defense and must show loyalty to the symbols that represent it.

This remark is somewhat twisted from the true concepts of fascism; all citizens need not be committed to its defense or even show loyalty. When you straighten out the concept you've presented, you end up with something roughly equivalent to patriotism, although neither conservatives nor fascists demand patriotism.


Of course, you demand it. Obama was chided for not wearing a flag pin. Seattle was criticized on Fox News for not having enough flags flying. People were lionized for criticizing the war in Iraq. You all talk patriotism every chance you get.

That was America's racism coming to the surface. Had there been a GOP president the same thing would have happened.

It wasn't racism. It was squelching dissent. More people were arrested and locked up for political reasons in the US in the first two years of Wilson's presidency than were in the first 10 years of Mussolini's fascist regime.


It was racism. People feared that the Japanese Americans would align with Japan and not America. And that was under FDR, not Wilson.

Under Wilson, it was the right's favorite whipping boy that were locked up.......the 'scary' communists. Had Wilson been a GOP president twice as many would have been locked up.

It does not....liberals never invoke nationalism, militarism and patriotism like you guys do. In fact, you drive us nuts with that stuff. The important thing to remember is that facism is conservatism run amok.

This is what you (collectively) don't understand. This militarism isn't fundamental as a characteristic of fascism; it is merely a means to an end -- without "militarism" you cannot accomplish the intended ends of fascism. This is one of the concepts that liberals are totally confused about: American conservatives believe in a strong military, fascism requires a strong military, therefore American conservatives are fascists. It doesn't work that way, this is a false logical conclusion that only liberals can conceive of.


Militarism is just one of several ~isms that flow out of fascism. Some others are nationalism and patriotism.....both favorites of conservatives. In addition, Hitler's fascism was reactionary...wanting to fall back on old traditions. If that isn't an example of conservatism, then the elephant isn't the symbol of the GOP.

I know of no conservative who "demands" patriotism; however, many conservatives are disgusted by those who receive the benefits of living in the United States yet have no allegiance to it. I am among that group. As to "nationalism", it is an outgrowth of popular sovereignty which was expressed in this country by everyone from Ben Franklin to Mark Twain.

Read:

"What American 'conservatism' has become fits closely within the definition of fascism: an intensely nationalist movement intent on defining membership in the 'nation' on linguistic, religious, and (increasingly) ethnic/racial criteria, accompanied by an unquestioning loyalty to (male) authority, enshrined in family leaders, business leaders, religious leaders, and especially, the leader of the nation, who is seen as embodying the Nation. Loyalty to the Party or Movement and its ideology is of great importance. Violence is the preferred means of accomplishing goals. Diplomacy, compromise, negotiation, are all identified with (feminine) weakness. The rule of law is also despised, because it lacks the immediacy of (violent) action, and its emphasis on balance and its concern with proper procedure is also seen as a sign of (feminine) weakness.

This is the outcome of the bargain the GOP made with the Devil back when it decided to go for the Wallace voters after the ’68 and ’72 elections. Kevin Phillips has repented a hundred times over for counseling the Southern Strategy, but too late. The GOP has discovered that when you sell your soul to the Devil, the only question is when does the Devil come to collect? Well, he's come.



To: i-node who wrote (435401)11/18/2008 12:24:08 AM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1587368
 
You're just ignorant, and wrong.



To: i-node who wrote (435401)11/18/2008 12:24:56 AM
From: bentway  Respond to of 1587368
 
You're just ignorant, and wrong.



To: i-node who wrote (435401)11/18/2008 8:07:23 AM
From: Brumar892 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1587368
 
Fully half of Hitlers 25 points are in direct alignment with modern-day progressivism found in this country.

You're right - I just googled them up.



To: i-node who wrote (435401)11/18/2008 11:31:47 AM
From: Tenchusatsu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1587368
 
Great list Inode. Keep the "Bush is Hitler" liberals on their toes ...

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