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To: Road Walker who wrote (438373)	12/5/2008 10:08:32 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574091

The truth is, wages for UAW members range from about $14 per hour for newly hired workers to $28 per hour for assemblers. That's probably correct. But then you have free healthcare. You have an exceptionally generous pension contribution. You have the jobs back, paid time off because you're having a bad day, and all manner of benefits that normal employees don't have. When you add it all up it amounts to ON AVERAGE $130-150K/year, depending on what you do with past service costs. Do you honestly believe that paying an unskilled assembly line worker $130K is a HEALTHY thing for our country? Is it possible to compete with other nations when we're doing this? Is it fostering the transition of these unskilled workers to jobs with upgraded skills, or are they motivated to sit in their unskilled jobs drawing an unreal paycheck?

To: Road Walker who wrote (438373)	12/8/2008 9:55:36 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574091

Just a little loose with the facts isn't he? Contrary to an often-repeated myth, UAW members at GM, Ford and Chrysler are not paid $73 an hour. The truth is, wages for UAW members range from about $14 per hour for newly hired workers to $28 per hour for assemblers. The $73 an hour figure is outdated and inaccurate. It includes not only the costs of health care, pensions and other compensation for current workers, but also includes the costs of pensions and health care for all of the retired workers, spread out over the active workforce. Obviously, active workers do not receive any of this compensation, so it is simply not accurate to describe it as part of their "earnings." Gettelfinger has to compare apples to dead pigs and you swallowed it. Tell you what, we fire the management and the union employees at GM and start over? How's that comrade?