To: TobagoJack who wrote (43802 ) 12/13/2008 8:50:08 PM From: brian h Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217654 TJ, Here is my reply to your post back then. Yours.Message 22232472 Mine.Message 22237359 ++++++++++++++++++++++ Did you see any change I need to revise from my post back then? I do not think so. And you? +++++++++++++++++++++ In that post, I wrote """"They can use gov. funds to visit and have fun in Disneyland, Universal Studio, etc. They are still in power and with more money in use that they never dreamed about in their CCP career."""" Just remember current China government - CCP is a quasi-empire state. Chinese used to live under that political regimes. I guess they still have no choice yet. You know Taiwan does. :-) So in that sense, China's Lee and Chen are still in power and never (seldom unless under the result of fierce internal power struggles) will be found guilty of embezzlements, taking bribes, etc. Thus your points of ""the true nature of wastrel thug chen shui bian and lee tung hui and basically, in essence, all those wastrels who support them"" apply to all people that still support CCP in any which way because Chen and Lee are small fishes comparing to China's Lees and Chens. For example, I am sure Lee Pon and his son still take more bribes from Westerners (Europeans and very likely US agents in China) and Chinese businessmen(Taiwan, HK, Singapore, etc) in China's electrical power plant constructions. So are you a firm supporter of CCP which can not take down big fishes and superficially look clean in every way? Remember Chen still claimed all money he and families received were political contributions. Is there anything wrong with political contributions? And Chen claimed the embezzlement charges were a pretty routine use of government funds from government officials. I bet almost every China government officials who received such tiny salary but used government funds for all their business and non-business activities are well qualified to be charged and prosecuted. Can they be charged as Chen did? Well. you know the answer. Democratic Taiwan may not be a mature democratic role model for other Chinese counties such as China. Taiwanese tried hard and had funs with their political experiments. Hopefully Chinese in China can have as much fun as well. I have cash and QCOM shares and multiple indispensable job skills. Hopefully my health stays up there. What financial collapse? Why do I need gold for besides some gold chains and gold necklaces?