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To: energyplay who wrote (171168)	12/14/2008 9:20:59 AM
From: James Hutton	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

"Ford Pinto Chevy Vega and one other car -" The K car? The Grenada? The Chrysler New Yorker? The Cimarron? The list goes on . . . .

To: energyplay who wrote (171168)	12/14/2008 9:54:08 AM
From: Les H	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

Ford Pinto Chevy Vega AMC Pacer Detroit's first attempts at building a small car to meet demand during the first oil crisis.

To: energyplay who wrote (171168)	12/14/2008 11:47:23 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

I seem to remember an really sad stream of vehicles coming from Detroit in the eighties, especially GM. forums.automotive.com The thing is, once you've bought the Honda, Nissan or Toyota and experienced what quality IS, you're not likely to go back. Why buy a car who's quality might have improved when you can buy one you KNOW is good? This is the second most expensive thing you buy. It might take a decade or more of word of mouth to turn that around. Except for maybe Ford, Detroit doesn't have the time.

To: energyplay who wrote (171168)	12/14/2008 3:33:32 PM
From: orkrious	Respond to of 306849

This seems much more a psychology /sociology problem than a quality, design, on engineering problem for Detroit. My last American car was a 1984 Dodge Daytona Turbo. At the time everyone talked about how the American mfgrs has closed the quality gap with the Japanese. I bought it new when I finished grad school. Don't ask me why I believed the hype about the new American quality. My previous car, a Malibu I bought new in 1978????, had a paint job that washed out after 18 months. The Daytona Turbo wasn't the worst piece of sh*t US car I had ever owned. That distinction belongs to my first car, a 1963 Dodge Dart that I bought when I was 16, in 1972. OMFG, put your foot down on the gas and out game blue smoke. The Daytona was literally in the shop more than it was out. The dealership couldn't figure out what was wrong. I sold it two years later to some unsuspecting schmuck. I felt guilty for a year. I swore then that I would never buy another American car and I haven't. Ever since then I've read about how the US auto companies have improved since the "past." They have, but they still trail the foreign manufacturers. I read some place that the average three year old US car has the same number of problems as the average six year old Japanese car. I believe it.