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To: WillieTee who wrote (172551)	12/19/2008 11:01:54 AM
From: Bank Holding Company	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

Good point. I haven't had a raise since 1987. I'm pretty tired of govt price fixing. Yes. It will resurface over and over. Govt just don't get it. Fed., State, Local.... They are all clueless. <g>

To: WillieTee who wrote (172551)	12/19/2008 11:10:05 AM
From: Bank Holding Company	Respond to of 306849

I think W feels guilty about destroying the autos. home ownershp society and all. bwdik.

To: WillieTee who wrote (172551)	12/19/2008 12:21:49 PM
From: Travis_Bickle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

Imo the U.S. is a civilized nation and Mexico is a savage wasteland, so you have to expect a difference in wages.

To: WillieTee who wrote (172551)	12/19/2008 12:25:14 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

"Until we accept that we are overpaid for our labor, this issue will resurface over and over." But, are we? Canadians make in the same ballpark. Is perhaps the problem that we haven't insisted that Mexico more fairly distribute the wealth there? If we had wage parity across N. America, then manufacturers would have to weigh transportation costs against labor costs for items like cars. If our labor is overpaid, our management is INSANELY overpaid. When the CEO of Ford makes $23 million a year while the CEO of Toyota make $1 million a year, it's indisputable. Maybe we ALL need a pay cut.

To: WillieTee who wrote (172551)	12/19/2008 12:45:19 PM
From: John Chen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

"Until we accept that we are overpaid for our labor,.." right on, United states of OVERPAID workers, unless the standard of living is reduced substantially in USA. Can't blame them offshoring everything to cheaper nations. Advanced wallstreet civilization needs to take advantage of that. Blame yourself not able to lower your standard of livings as fast as possible to adapt to the globalization of labors, engineers,... Here are a few easy things to do to help yourself becoming more competitive: 1. drop your auto-insurance or just keep liability if you can't get rid of your car. 2. drop your health-insurance or just keep catastrophic insurance if you can't get rid of yourself. 3. move into multi-generations-families type of housing. This save a lot of things for everyone in the family by sharing utility bills (water, gas, phone, dsl/cable....)