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To: Gary Mohilner who wrote (174129)	12/28/2008 10:25:14 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

"As of today, they are truly the only ally we have in the Middle East" What good are they as an "ally"? They can't help us fight anywhere - we have to beg them NOT to get involved, as in the Gulf War. They cost us a fortune. Our unfair and irrational support of them has us looking bad to our REAL allies and causes the Arabs that own all the oil to hate us. They were supposedly beneficial when the Soviets were using the Arabs as proxies, but that time has long past. Now, what is our national benefit in supporting Israel? Not even all Jews support Israel.

To: Gary Mohilner who wrote (174129)	12/29/2008 2:46:41 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 306849

Those nomads you reference had farmed or ranched the land in Palestine for over 1000 years.....and it doesn't matter what they called it......it was still their home. The small cities in Palestine were Arab cities, not Zionist cities. For most of the 20th century, the Arabs have fought the occupation of their land by the Zionists. Instead of respecting their anger, the Zionists insisted that Palestine be theirs. You reap what you sow. A nation born in blood and violating the rights of others rarely has a peaceful time of it. Another question you might ask, before Israel became Israel many thought it should be named Palestine. Many of the inhabitants were nomads and most identified their home as Jordan. Those living there only identified themselves as Palestinian's after Israel chose the name Israel rather than Palestine. From day one of the creation of Israel they would have welcomed peace, but it was never offered to them by someone who could really make it happen. If this were the genocide that's occurring in Darfur it's doubtful anyone would care, but even I as a Jew don't want to see the useless killing of the Palestinian's, but if intelligence told you that both Hamas leadership and weaponry was in the area that's to be attacked, would you not attack with all you had. Suppose we change that to bin Ladin, his leadership, and his weapons. I never like to see the loss of life, but if Hamas and the Palestinians under it don't attack, there would be no loss of life.