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To: tejek who wrote (444361)	1/3/2009 3:23:06 PM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 1578132

there are Americans who have been killed by the Israelis because they sided with the Palestinians. lol protesters who don't have the common sense to get out of the way of a bulldozer...

To: tejek who wrote (444361)	1/3/2009 3:37:52 PM
From: Taro	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1578132

Check this post I just got from one of my Israel buddies, right from the horse's mouth so to say. Taro "Hey Taro, good to hear from you. I was recently having a heated discussion with a Palestinian on a blog (this one blog apparently was impartial, they blocked my posts on another blog run by a whining US-based "Palestinian mother" - probably wearing a beard). So here is one of my 2 posts that represent the curent atmosphere in Israel now and the position of most Israelis pretty well. Use freely as you see fit. Regretfully the Palestinian correspondent did not have anything intelligent to say in response. BTW my 76 years old inlaws who live in a Kibbutz near Gaza strip were finally convinced to flee to our house in Tel Aviv after a rocket hit the kibbutz dining room some 100 meters from their home. So we have a our house full now "You wrote: “you guys [=Jews] have the money ..so leave out of OUR HOME and buy a home not occupy it!!”. This means you suggest that you only agree to end bloodshed when we Israelis all leave our country - i.e. commit collective suicide as a nation. So I say again: don’t count on it, we will NEVER leave our homeland. You are fooling yourself and causing blood to flow because of this belief of yours. You better stop this, as well as “you guys have the money” and “some of my best friends are Jewish" song. This is an ages old anti-Semitic tune for ill-informed brainwashed peasants and students of radical Islamic medresses that does not become an “MA student”. What you call Apartheid Wall is a wall that we absolutely need for our safety. You Palestinians have a nerve - you are murdering our women and children by sending suicide bombers and then demanding that we do not erect a wall whose sole purpose is to stop the brainwashed bloodthirsty fanatics wearing bomb belts to enter our territory! Stop suicide bombings and we would never need this ugly but life-saving wall. That the Arab countries have kept the refugee camps and let them drown in poverty is a fact you cannot dispute. Every a single refugee camp - dating back to 1948! - located on the territories of Arab countries continues to exist and has only swollen in population. This is the real Arab Apartheid. You are saying that people of Gaza will not easily forget the current bombings. You also have a nerve to demand that we do not attack Gaza - from which we withdrew 3 years ago - after Hamas shoot rockets at us for 6 months during which we were grinding our teeth and absorbing the fire trying to find a non-bloody solution - asking Egypt to pressure Hamas while acting as a mediator. No wonder Egyptians blamed Hamas for the Israeli attack when their efforts proved futile. We TRIED for a very long time to stop the conflict and the violence by making peace with the Palestinians. Prime Minister Rabin - who fell victim of a Jewish extremist murderer for this - shook the hand of lifelong terrorist Arafat whom Rabin detested and fought all his life, and signed the Oslo agreement. Israelis were euphoric - so strong was our desire for peace with Palestinians. What did we get in return? Treachery, intifada and suicide bombings. No my friend, we Israelis are through caring what you will or will nor forget. You hate Israel too much for any of our actions to make any difference, and you have proven this time and again. The result is that Israelis who deeply symphathized with you, who were once quite numerous, are now few and far between. Thanks to your actions a huge majority of Israelis are now united in not being impressed by Palestinian whining and appeals and hand waving because their other hand is pressing the deadly rocket launch button at the same time, and this rocket - or suicide bomber’s belt - is ALWAYS aimed at innocent Israeli civilians. So we choose to defend our civilian population forcefully, no matter what you say and what you will or will not forget. Only the actions matter. We will continue destroying Hamas terrorists and their infrastructure until they stop firing rockets. After they stop, we can talk business. On at least one thing you and I are in agreement - Western democracy will never work for Arabs and Moslems (although they cunningly appeal to the Western values in their propaganda, trying to dupe the Western people into supporting the “victims”). I was once a student in a European university and an Arab student there told me “You Israelis do not understand the basic law of the Middle East: Kiss the Arm that You Cannot Break”. He was mistaken: it’s the Americans who do not understand this - see their stupid attempt do instill democracy in Iraq and their pressure on Israel that resulted in democratic elections in Gaza that in turn brought the Hamas terrorists to power. We Israelis, one the other hand, have been here long enough. We do understand the laws of the Middle East. Make no mistake - that we continue to act according to Western values - e.g. not targeting civilians, allowing Red Cross to visit Palestinian prisoners when Hamas keep our prisoner in some underground dungeon for years without any contact with outside world, etc. - is not a sign of weakness or misunderstanding of your laws of conduct. It is our choice, our moral fibre and the reason why we are stronger than you. You will forever lose the fight with Israel BECAUSE we are a Western democracy AND at the same time know how to speak the only language that you understand. So I tell you in plain Middle East speak: stop firing the rockets. Stop killing our civilians. I guarantee you that this time we will NOT stop our attack until you stop firing the rockets, and will destroy Gaza entirely if needed. I also guarantee you that we will stop after you stop firing the rockets, and that despite everything we will continue to allow over 100 tons of humanitarian aid into Gaza EVERY DAY as we did in the 6 days that passed. I think the message is clear, truthful and simple enough for you to comprehend, despite our cultural differences. Respectfully, Eyal"

To: tejek who wrote (444361)	1/3/2009 4:01:37 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578132

>> People like Taro and inode won't believe this clip The "clip" isn't at issue; the "spin" is, however. More importantly, whether the clip is "true" or not doesn't matter. The Palestinians do this to themselves. They could stop the violence at any time. The Palestinians could, if they chose to do so, have a great quality of life in peace and tranquility. But before good things happen, they have to come to terms with Israel, kick Hamas out, and make an effort to turn their lives around.