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To: Road Walker who wrote (3975)	1/6/2009 8:27:24 PM
From: Eric	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86356

What's stopping them? You know as well as I do. You can't afford deep off shore wells at $40 something a gallon. Unless you subsidize the crap out of the drilling. This is the problem that I have worried about for years. It's "Where do you find the new oil?" More and more it's in very deep water and the costs to drill there are going out of sight. I'm afraid in the long run the majors will give up because of the ultimate costs. We will effectively strand a lot of oil because of the risks involved. That process will move us off of carbon fuels the hard way unfortunately. JMHO

To: Road Walker who wrote (3975)	1/7/2009 12:11:20 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86356

No, you didn't. You wrote about what 'you think' mindmeld thinks. And on that topic you seem to be wrong most of the time. Roadkill, I posted that summation because it's EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING since I first started participating on this thread. The IMMEDIATE ANSWER is to secure and exploit ALL ECONOMICALLY VIABLE domestic reserves of oil and natural gas for the purpose of national security. It's proven, the infrastructure already exists to handle it, there's a CRAP-LOAD of proven reserves of it lurking on government owned lands, and none of the alternatives to oil/gas fueled transportation has a long-enough track record (yet): Message 25086766 So why does Mindmelt believe that I, or anyone else on this thread is supporting or encouraging the continued importation of oil? He posted an article that we all can pretty much agree with: Message 25302788 And then he attempts to justify completely "getting off oil" when the article is focused upon "getting totally off imported oil".. (which we all agree with). Now the author makes some crazy arguments about "flex fuels" which I believe, IMO, are already heavily discredited due to pressure on food prices as well as lack of proper distribution infrastructure for ethanol. But I'm totally cool with using synthetic fuels from coal, if commercially viable, as well as with domestic electricity generation. But the bulk of that article leads us to only one conclusion.. FOCUS FIRST ON CONVERTING TO PLENTIFUL NATURAL GAS, CHANTING "DRILL, DRILL, DRILL!!!!" In sum, Mindmelt can't really seem to grasp the clearly stated positions of people like myself and others. We're shouldn't be in any conflict about reducing our imports, but where we CAN DEBATE is the best immediate and long-term response to alternatives. Hawk

To: Road Walker who wrote (3975)	1/7/2009 12:33:22 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86356

You can't afford deep off shore wells at $40 something a gallon. Unless you subsidize the crap out of the drilling. And btw, if you set the price at $40/gallon, I'll GUARANTEE YOU that I'll find you so much oil you won't be able to exhaust it for a hundred years. Hell, in oil shale alone, the US has the largest reserves on the planet and could likely provide all the oil we need for several hundred years and it would only cost $95/bbl which, given 42 gallons per barrel would be one hell of a profit!! I'd only need 3 gallons of the stuff to break even. There won't be any need to go offshore!!: en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org You want to wean this country off of oil, and especially imported oil, then you need to provide a vehicular alternative that represents the same or better cost, reliability, convenience, AND PERFORMANCE to the vehicles they currently purchase. Until Detroit accomplishes that, or oil goes back to $100/bbl, it's going to be at least 10 years before alternative energy vehicles make an impact. Hawk