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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (102325)	1/29/2009 11:15:07 AM
From: Paul Kern	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542059

The Note, 1/29/09: No Contest -- GOP finds a voice as opposition party, but who has more at stake? January 29, 2009 8:00 AM As President Obama said, there are a lot of numbers in the stimulus bill. But the number that may be remembered most of all from Wednesday’s vote in the House is zero. That’s a goose egg in the first inning of bipartisanship -- at least as recorded on Obama’s scorecard. (The GOP spin, in unison, is that Republicans were the bipartisan ones, having grabbed 11 Democrats in voting against the bill.) The visits and the calls and the cocktail hour ended with a win that left an old taste -- one that doesn’t bode well for the president’s promises of a new kind of politics. (And leaves Democrats defending every provision in a hulking mess of a piece of legislation; said one GOP leadership aide, “The bill’s like a fish: the longer it sits out there, the more it stinks.”) But that zero looms large for Republicans, too. As they gather in Washington to select the new RNC chairman, Rush Limbaugh gets his way: They’re settling on opposition to Obama as an organizing principle. Outright opposition to the president would eventually become the Democrats’ ticket back to the majority. But President Bush was at a much different point in his presidency then than President Obama is today. “Congressional Republicans hoping to rebound from a second straight drubbing at the polls have placed a very large bet against the [$819] billion stimulus package that is the centerpiece of President Barack Obama’s early agenda,” Roll Call’s Steven T. Dennis and Shira Toeplitz report. “The 244-188 vote led by Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) is fraught with political risk. Boehner has sought to avoid the label of the ‘party of no’ and push alternatives, but his Conference appears unwilling to back anything but another round of tax cuts.” (Though quotes like this have a weird way of giving the opposition a voice: “It feeds the hungry, shelters the homeless and heals the sick,” said freshman Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla.) Depending on how you frame it, Republicans just voted against creating 3 million new jobs, not to mention a popular president who is trying really hard to be bipartisan. Or they voted against an overstuffed, $819 billion collection of pork and assorted goodies that won’t really help an ailing economy. You could throw up your hands and call it all politics as usual. But that in itself is a blow for the president who promised to clear away all of that. “The vote Wednesday, while clearly a victory for Obama, also marked a victory of sorts for Limbaugh and other conservative opinion leaders who have spent days admonishing Republican lawmakers not to be ‘co-opted’ by the Democratic president,” Peter Wallsten writes in the Los Angeles Times. “In the end, Republicans didn't waver, choosing to use the vote to try to regain their old brand as the party of small government -- a brand they lost as spending ballooned during the Bush years.” More here: blogs.abcnews.com

To: Steve Lokness who wrote (102325)	1/29/2009 3:11:31 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 542059

No, that is not what I want nor expect. What you describe is ..."I won, so I get to set the agenda so get use to it". That is exactly how it has been and has gotten us into the trouble we are in. No, I want those representing me to work towards good government. I want government to work for what is best for America - instead of just alienated the other side. Steve, that statement makes the classic mistake of making the perfect the enemy of the good. The congress/Washington can't immediately jump from a poisonous, deeply partisan atmosphere to bipartisan work. It's, as Robert Gibbs says, a long and winding trail. Why won't the Dem majority in the House produce, in this first draft, a bill that gathers votes from House Reps? The answers are ones we've all discussed: the inertia of large institutions, House procedures which give almost total power to large majorities, and the history of supercharged bitterness starting with Gingrich long attempts to gain control, first of the House Reps, and then of the House itself. That simply will not change overnight. Best I can tell Obama is playing the chessboard like a master right now. As for whether the stimulus package is a good one, please check the NYTimes editorial from this morning that I posted. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll post it again. It's as good a defense as I've read including some sterling comments from our local, very good, New Jersey paper, The Record.