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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (102381)1/29/2009 4:32:16 PM
From: Travis_Bickle  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542149
 
How do you know that "we" are not screwed anyway?

I don't see any way that I am screwed ... some people are screwed, but then some people are always screwed. The argument seems to be that the spending bill will result in a significant number of screwed people being saved from said screwing .. very hard thing to pin down, you have to determine the time period cause it could save some people from a screwing tomorrow but result in additional screwed people down the road ... then there is the question of who is being saved from being screwed, and who is not being saved, there are some people who I would like to see get screwed, we're not saving them, are we?

I don't see any way we can ever determine with any degree of certainty whether the spending bill is a good idea or not.

And apparently the cost is up to $900,000,000,000.



To: Steve Lokness who wrote (102381)1/29/2009 4:47:51 PM
From: Paul Kern  Respond to of 542149
 
No we don't - you are living in times when people haven't a clue as to what hard times are really like. We have a chance our economy can be saved - but boy is it decreasing by the day as the two sides squabble.

Amazon earnings just out and great. The crises is at the door knocking and if democrats and republicans sit in a corner with their trossers down around their ankles trying to piss futher than the other....... then we are screwed.

steve


U.S. Economy: Sales of New Homes, Durable Goods Orders Tumble

By Shobhana Chandra and Bob Willis

Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Prospects for an economic recovery this year dimmed after reports today showed new-home sales collapsed, durable-goods orders slumped and a record number of Americans collected unemployment benefits.

“There really isn’t any hiding place in this economy,” said Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist at IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts.

Orders for goods designed to last several years fell in December for a fifth month, the longest slide since comparable data began in 1992, the Commerce Department said today in Washington. Sales of new homes fell to an annual pace of 331,000, a rate that would take more than a year to clear the glut of unsold properties.

Today’s figures may heighten Federal Reserve officials’ concern, expressed yesterday after their policy meeting, about a “significant” danger the economy won’t start recovering until 2010. The intensifying housing crisis will also make it harder for President Barack Obama to arrest the industry’s decline with proposed tax breaks and steps to slow mortgage foreclosures.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Stock Index slid 2 percent to 856.31 at 11:56 a.m. in New York. Shorter-dated Treasuries were little changed with the two-year note yielding 0.90 percent.

The Labor Department said the number of Americans collecting jobless benefits soared to a record 4.776 million in the week ended Jan. 17. Along with the slump in durable-goods orders, the figures reflect efforts by companies from General Motors Corp. to Caterpillar Inc. to downsize amid a pullback in both domestic spending and demand from overseas.

‘Lots of Pain’

“There is lots of pain,” Ward McCarthy, a principal at Stone & McCarthy Research Associates in Skillman, New Jersey, said in a Bloomberg Radio interview. The economy was “deteriorating over the course of the fourth quarter and that deterioration has continued into the first quarter,” he said, anticipating that the unemployment rate may exceed 9 percent for the first time since 1983.

Gault said that the economy’s contraction may be as deep in the first quarter of 2009 as it was in the previous three months. The Commerce Department may report tomorrow that gross domestic product fell by an annualized rate of 5.5 percent in the fourth quarter, the most since 1982.

The decline in sales of new houses last month exceeded the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News that called for a drop to a 397,000 pace.

2008 Drop

For the full year, purchases of new houses fell a record 38 percent to 482,000, the fewest since 1982, Commerce said. The median price for all of 2008 fell 7 percent, the most since 1970, to $230,600.

The supply of homes at the current sales rate jumped to a record 12.9 months’ worth in December. That is more than twice as much as the five-to-six months supply that the National Association of Realtors has said is consistent with a stable market.

Sales of new houses dropped in all four regions, led by a 28 percent decrease in the Northeast and a 20 percent slump in the West.

The shrinking real-estate market is costing more and more jobs, from banks and homebuilders to manufacturers and retailers.

Caterpillar Inc., the world’s largest maker of bulldozers and excavators, this week said it’s cutting 20,000 jobs and this year’s profit and sales will trail analysts’ estimates.

Job Cuts

Home Depot Inc., the world’s largest home-improvement retailer, will cut 7,000 jobs, or 2 percent of its workforce, and exit its design showroom business, the company said.

Orders for long-lasting goods dropped 2.6 percent last month, exceeding the 2 percent decrease foreseen by economists surveyed, the Commerce report showed.

For all of 2008, orders for durable goods slumped 5.7 percent, the biggest decrease since the 2001 recession.

Automobile bookings decreased 5.2 percent last month and orders for commercial aircraft dropped 44 percent.

Boeing Co., the world’s second-biggest commercial-airplane maker, yesterday said a drop in travel and tight credit signals customers may continue to cancel or defer orders in 2009. The Chicago-based company reported a fourth-quarter loss and said it plans to cut 10,000 jobs. It also disclosed that a customer canceled all 15 of its orders for the new 787 Dreamliner plane.

More Closings

GM, which already closed most of its 22 plants in North America this month, said it’ll eliminate shifts in the second quarter at plants in Ohio and Michigan, cut about 2,000 jobs, and reduce output at 13 other U.S. and Canadian factories. Chrysler LLC, Ford Motor Co. and Toyota Motor Corp. are also scaling back North American production.

Ford, the only U.S. automaker not tapping federal loans, said today it used up $5.5 billion in cash in the fourth quarter and will tap a revolving credit line after the worst annual performance in its 105-year history.

The Fed yesterday left the benchmark interest rate as low as zero and said it was prepared to purchase Treasury securities to resuscitate lending should circumstances warrant such action. Policy makers also warned that inflation may recede too quickly and that downside risks to growth “are significant.”

To contact the report on this story: Shobhana Chandra in Washington at schandra1@bloomberg.net; Bob Willis in Washington at bwillis@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: January 29, 2009 12:03 EST



To: Steve Lokness who wrote (102381)1/29/2009 4:49:12 PM
From: Paul Kern  Respond to of 542149
 
No we don't - you are living in times when people haven't a clue as to what hard times are really like. We have a chance our economy can be saved - but boy is it decreasing by the day as the two sides squabble.

Amazon earnings just out and great. The crises is at the door knocking and if democrats and republicans sit in a corner with their trossers down around their ankles trying to piss futher than the other....... then we are screwed.

steve



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of Americans claiming jobless benefits hit a record high in mid-January, while orders for long-lasting factory goods fell for a fifth month in December, according to data on Thursday that showed the economy in steep decline.


Piling on the gloom for an economy mired in recession for more than a year, sales of newly built single-family homes slumped to their lowest levels since records started in 1963.

The batch of bleak data cast doubt on whether the economy would begin to recover in the second half of the year, since stability in the housing market, the root of the worst financial crisis in more than 70 years, may be a prerequisite.

It also underlined the urgency of efforts by the Obama administration to rush a stimulus plan totaling $825 billion or more through Congress.

"I don't think we are going to see a recovery until 2010. It's possible the economy can bottom sometime in the fall or the winter, but it will be pretty rough sailing ahead, especially for the next quarter or two," said Michael Darda, chief economist at MKM Partners in Greenwich Connecticut.

The number of people staying on state jobless benefits rolls after drawing an initial week of aid jumped 159,000 to a higher-than-forecast 4.78 million in the week ended January 17, the most recent week for which data is available.

It was the highest reading on records dating to 1967.

Initial claims for unemployment insurance rose to 588,000 last week, up marginally from a week earlier.

U.S. stocks fell on the data, stalling a four-day run-up. The Dow Jones industrial average was down about 167 points at 8,207 in early afternoon. Government bond prices were weighed down by supply worries related to efforts underway in Washington to help the economy and a sick banking system.

The harsh economic climate is forcing companies to lay off workers in huge numbers, further curbing demand by households already reeling from the fall in their net worth as a result of the housing and stock market crash.

New orders for long-lasting manufactured goods dropped 2.6 percent last month after plunging 3.7 percent in November, the Commerce Department said. Analysts had expected a December decline of only 2 percent.

For 2008 as a whole, orders tumbled 5.7 percent, the second biggest decline since 2001.

The report showed business were sharply ratcheting back their investment plans. Non-defense capital goods orders excluding aircraft, a closely watched proxy for business spending, fell 2.8 percent in December, while November's gain was revised sharply lower.



To: Steve Lokness who wrote (102381)1/29/2009 4:56:56 PM
From: Paul Kern  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542149
 
No we don't - you are living in times when people haven't a clue as to what hard times are really like. We have a chance our economy can be saved - but boy is it decreasing by the day as the two sides squabble.

Please explain to the unemployed and the underemployed how good times are. They will appreciate your thoughts.

You could also provide some good dog food recipes for the older folks who worked hard all their lives and have seen their investments decimated. This will also be appreciated.



To: Steve Lokness who wrote (102381)1/29/2009 5:05:33 PM
From: Paul Kern  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542149
 
No we don't - you are living in times when people haven't a clue as to what hard times are really like. We have a chance our economy can be saved - but boy is it decreasing by the day as the two sides squabble.

Amazon earnings just out and great. The crises is at the door knocking and if democrats and republicans sit in a corner with their trossers down around their ankles trying to piss futher than the other....... then we are screwed.

steve


FIRST-QUARTER LAYOFFS: Selection Of Job Cuts By Major Companies
Last update: 1/29/2009 12:00:00 PM

The following chart is a selection of some first-quarter announcements of job cuts since the beginning of the year. Some numbers are estimates.


Company Name Date of Number of Percent Announcement Jobs Cut Work Force

Eastman Kodak 01/29/2009 4,500 18%
AstraZeneca 01/29/2009 7,400 11%
Ford Motor Credit 01/28/2009 1,200 20%
Analogic Corp. 01/28/2009 140 9%
Ferro Corp. 01/28/2009 125 2%******
Avocent Corp. 01/28/2009 170 8%
Boeing Co. 01/28/2009 10,000 6%****
Bowne & Co. 01/28/2009 200 6%
Sepracor Inc. 01/28/2009 530 20%
Allstate Corp. 01/28/2009 1,000***** 2.6%
Cabot Corp. 01/28/2009 500 12%
Skyworks Solutions 01/28/2009 150 4%
Citrix Systems 01/28/2009 N/A 10%
Jabil Circuit 01/28/2009 3,000 4.92%
AOL 01/28/2009 700 10%
Starbucks 01/28/2009 6,700 4%
SAP 01/28/2009 3,000 6%
STMicroelectronics 01/28/2009 4,500 9%
Avery Dennison 01/27/2009 N/A 10%
Baker Hughes 01/27/2009 1,500 4%
Corning 01/27/2009 3,500 13%
Cooper Industries 01/27/2009 2,200 7%
Clariant 01/27/2009 1,000 5%
Texas Instruments 01/26/2009 3,400 12%
Caterpillar 01/26/2009 20,000 18%
Home Depot 01/26/2009 7,000 2%
Sprint Nextel 01/26/2009 8,000 13%
Pfizer 01/26/2009 8,300 10%
ING 01/26/2009 7,000 5%
Philips Electronics 01/26/2009 6,000 5%
Corus 01/26/2009 3,500 10%
Harley-Davidson 01/23/2009 1,100 11%
Microsoft 01/22/2009 5,000 5%
Huntsman 01/22/2009 1,175 9%
Intel 01/21/2009 6,000*** 7%
UAL 01/21/2009 1,000 2%
Eaton 01/20/2009 5,200 6%
Bose 01/20/2009 1,000 10%
Rohm & Haas 01/20/2009 900 5.7%
Clear Channel 01/20/2009 1,850 9%
ConocoPhillips 01/16/2009 1,300 4%
Circuit City 01/16/2009 34,000 100%*
Pfizer 01/16/2009 3,200** 3%
AMD 01/16/2009 1,100 9%
Hertz Global Holdings 01/16/2009 4,000 13%
Wellpoint 01/16/2009 1,500 3.6%
Saks 01/15/2009 1,100 9%
MeadWestvaco 01/15/2009 2,000 10%
Autodesk 01/15/2009 750 10%
Motorola 01/14/2009 4,000 6%
Barclays 01/14/2009 2,100 1.3%
Neiman Marcus 01/13/2009 375 3%
Cummins 01/13/2009 800 2%
Seagate Technology 01/12/2009 800 10%
Cessna 01/12/2009 2,000 N/A
Walgreen 01/08/2009 1,000 9%
Lenovo Group 01/08/2009 2,500 11%
EMC 01/07/2009 2,400 7%
Logitech International 01/06/2009 500 5%
Alcoa 01/06/2009 15,000 14.5%
Cigna 01/05/2009 1,100 4%

*Company in liquidation
**Includes announcements of 2,400 cuts on Jan. 16 and 800 layoffs on Jan.
13.
***Number of employees affected by plant closures, not all will lose jobs
****Includes Jan. 9 announcement of 4,500 layoffs from commercial-airplane staff
***** Reductions to come over the next two years
******Cut in Limoges, France manufacturing plant

(END) Dow Jones Newswires
January 29, 2009 12:00 ET (17:00 GMT)