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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (103007)2/3/2009 9:40:17 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 543656
 
Obama needs to be careful- wouldn't want him to turn out like this bozo:

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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (103007)2/3/2009 9:45:34 PM
From: mph  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543656
 
I can see that you really have no suggestion for a constructive approach. Talking points won't get it anymore.

I'll give you the flip side.

It seems obvious that the Democrats did not sit down and craft a serious stimulus package aimed at actually addressing the serious economic issues. What they did was throw into a package as many aspects of their wish list as they could get into it. Obama failed to rein in Pelosi before it became embarrassing. So he had to tell her to take out things like condoms. Now President Obama is forced to make the case for a stimulus plan that should have been appropriate before it was presented.

That's what happened. I know you want to blame Republicans, but those days are over.

You won.



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (103007)2/4/2009 12:56:21 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 543656
 
It is clear that they have had it their way or the highway for the last 8 years and for 12 of the 20 years before that.

Thats far from true. Partially because there is and was no single Republican view, any more than there is a single Democratic view, but also because in those 20 of 28 years Democrats still had a lot of ability to limit what Republicans chose to do. During many of them the Democrats controlled one or both houses of congress, and even when the Republicans controlled both, they didn't have overwhelming majorities, and many of the "moderate Republicans", often voted with Democrats.