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To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (154008)	2/5/2009 7:17:07 PM
From: Don Hurst	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

>>" Yet they never consider how unlikely is God, how complex, how hard to understand. Isn't it irrational to believe in something as unlikely and incomprehensible as God? "<< C'mon...there is a Book He wrote and He dictated a revised, later version to Mohammed.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (154008)	2/5/2009 9:46:49 PM
From: one_less	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

"It's absurd really." The absurdity is in your zeal to attribute false logic to others and proclaim your self above it. The documentation of long suffering consideration by scholarly believers in these specific issues is well known. The foundations of what you (not I) proclaim to be the more rational way of thinking was initiated and forewarded to you by such considered and honorable men of faith and integrity. "The universe is so unlikely, so complex, so hard to comprehend... Therefore God." What could have provoked you into making such an obviously falacious comment? There are far more unknowns than knowns. Infact, nothing in temporal existence is truly known in a perfectly undeniable complete sense. The mystery and wonder of things is more certainly observable than are hard facts. Educated belivers like everyone else seeks to know whatever can be known in any way and at whatever level it can be known, while maintaining respect for mystery and wonder. The truth has only one need, which is to be revealed. The act of revealing, as we understand it, involves thought, consideration, observation, and discovery, none of which can be undertaken without some belief about the issue under consideration. Therefore, scientific investigation is one form of revelation. It is useful. The mistake you make is concluding that it is therefore the only path to truth, leaving you in error and confusion as you mock the truth and wisdom available to you from other sources.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (154008)	2/5/2009 9:57:54 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Respond to of 173976

Well put Steve....it makes them appear as if they are saying that we're stupid and they are smart because they have it all figured out.... And then we look at the type of people who are saying that...

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (154008)	2/6/2009 7:46:56 AM
From: JeffA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

The "Big Bang" is plausible? LMAO!

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (154008)	2/6/2009 12:08:05 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 173976

It never ceases to amaze me that people make those kinds of arguments: The universe is so unlikely, so complex, so hard to comprehend... Therefore God. I know if you found a computer in the woods, you would assume nobody made it and put it there. It grew there by itself, a product of nature. Yet they never consider how unlikely is God, how complex, how hard to understand. Isn't it irrational to believe in something as unlikely and incomprehensible as God? Nevertheless, as science says, its either God or an infinity of unique invisible hypothetical universes. Somehow they're comfortable never asking those questions, as if that's a point in their favor. God doesn't require a beginning, or a purpose, or objective morality. Everything that exists requires these things they argue. God has none of these things. And that's an argument for God's existence? God's mysteriousness isn't an argument for his existence. The universe with us in it is, though. Its nice you're casting off the 'liberal Christianity is okay with me, respected by me' cloak and showing contemptuousness for all who believe in God. Don't you think you were being dishonest pretending otherwise in other posts?