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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: gg cox who wrote (6068)	2/12/2009 11:34:31 AM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 42652

Is this guy lying? No, he's not lying. You're the one making an untrue statement. You said " health care...that costs 12 grand a year for a family of 4." That's simply not true. He said "The annual premium for an employer health plan covering a family of four averaged nearly $12,700." I accept that as true or close enough to true. I have made the point several times now but you still keep conflating health care and health insurance. Not the same thing. Typical families are too healthy to spend anywhere near $12K a year at the doctor's. It's only older people or those with serious illnesses that incur that kind of medical expense. Is this lies?? That's apples and oranges. It has nothing to do with what we're discussing. We were talking about free ridership and the legal obligation to buy health insurance. I'll bold the easy to understand parts.. You still haven't explained that convoluted sentence, merely asserted that it's easy to understand in the face of my description of the difficulty in interpreting it. Non-constructive.

To: gg cox who wrote (6068)	2/12/2009 11:36:34 AM
From: John Koligman	2 Recommendations Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 42652

Half the guys on this thread seem to want to spend their time embroiled in endlessly circular arguments. Lots of folks would have to pay 12k for a family if they did not have employer coverage. I pay $8700/year for just my wife and myself, no prescription coverage and a fairly high deductible, and haven't even used the insurance. My brother in law is a mechanic and was quoted a rate of $800/month for a family of 3 even with his employer chipping in. Lot's of folks losing jobs I have talked with can stay covered via COBRA, and guess what, $1200/month is a widely quoted figure for them. Perhaps if you live in Ottumwa, Iowa, you can get cheaper coverage, but in many urban/suburban areas, not so easy... So some guys on this thread are simply 'full of it' if you know what I mean... Regards, John