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To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (15429)2/16/2009 4:17:33 PM
From: jim_p6 Recommendations  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 50253
 
Australian Gun Law Update
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer
in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now available:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;

Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent);

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal.

(NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.)

While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'

This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US , there will not be any reporting any of this to you.

But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Americans may want to take note before it's too late!

FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.

DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY .

BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (15429)2/16/2009 6:47:10 PM
From: Jimh0681 Recommendation  Respond to of 50253
 
According to our elected officials,
They don't need, want, or even want to here the public's opinion.
They don't think any of us has a clue like they do.

They almost all need to be brought up on charges, jailed, and then we will find replacements.

Doesn't it piss everyone off when we are forced hand over our money to all the people that caused this economy to be sold to foreigners. They sold our jobs and now we have give them more money.

The end of freedom has come. It will still be years before most have clue, but it is here.



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (15429)2/16/2009 9:53:46 PM
From: JBTFD1 Recommendation  Respond to of 50253
 
Thanks for explaining that. I didn't know there was consideration of a bill that would cap all compensation at $500k. The media coverage of this isn't very good, and I don't have them time to troll through it all to get at what is actually going on. That's why I read these boards. Thanks.



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (15429)2/17/2009 10:41:36 AM
From: canbyte2 Recommendations  Respond to of 50253
 
FWIW, here is easy way to start doing something about Dodd and others of his ilk - impeachment anyone?

petitiononline.com

Make a petition and tell your friends.



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (15429)3/17/2009 7:11:29 AM
From: SliderOnTheBlack2 Recommendations  Respond to of 50253
 
Banks Sidestep Bonus Caps...
(Whodathunkit?!?)...

Message 25417431

Message #15430 from SliderOnTheBlack at 2/16/2009 3:48:29 PM

re: Chris Dodd & The Stimulus Package...

What did Chris Dodd do?

It's very simple...

He removed the cap on salaries. Geithner's plan imposed
a $500k salary cap. And Dodd removed it.

And it's not just "what" he did, it's "how" he did it.

He snuck his provision in, in the dead of night.

Here's reality...

The public is raising holy hell, and screaming bloody murder about...
"how dare the banksters pay themselves bonuses while they're
writing off billions in losses, and had to have the taxpayer bail them out?"

This anti-bonus mentality isn't going to go away. These banks
are not going to be able to pay top exec's "bonuses" for a
very long time. And with Geithner's $500k salary cap, the banksters
needed a way to get around these limits, and Dodd just gave it
to them
...


And drum roll please...

reuters.com

Citi, Morgan Stanley look to sidestep bonus caps

Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:57am EDT

(Reuters) - Anticipating restrictions on bonuses, officials at Citigroup Inc and Morgan Stanley are exploring ways to sidestep tough new federal caps on compensation, the Wall Street Journal said.

Executives at these banks and other financial institutions that received government aid are discussing increasing base salaries for some executives and other top-producing employees
the paper said, citing people familiar with the situation.

The discussions are at an early stage, partly because the government has not yet issued specific rules on the bonus payments that will be allowed at companies that received aid under the government's Troubled Asset Relief Program, the paper said.

The report comes on the heels of widespread outrage that insurer AIG, kept alive on a government bailout of up to $180 billion, was paying its employees bonuses of $165 million.

In February, President Barack Obama set a $500,000 annual cap on pay for top executives at companies receiving taxpayer funds.

Citigroup officials have considered designating which 25 executives will be subject to bonus limits, the paper said, citing people familiar with the discussions.

In that scenario, the new rules might not apply to lower-ranking yet still highly lucrative traders and investment bankers, the people told the paper.

"We will comply with the restrictions, in addition to the substantial changes we have already made to our compensation structure," a Citigroup spokeswoman told the paper.

A Citigroup spokesman in Hong Kong declined to comment on the report when contacted by Reuters.

Wall Street compensation has come under intense scrutiny, especially at banks that have received taxpayer money from TARP.

Citigroup has received $45 billion of TARP money. Morgan Stanley has received $10 billion.

Morgan Stanley could not immediately be reached for comment by Reuters.

The bonus forms a large part of salaries of traders and bankers on Wall Street, the paper said.

Wells Fargo & Co, which took $25 billion of capital last year under TARP, disclosed last week that it increased the base salaries of CEO John Stumpf and two other executives, the paper said.

Raising base pay at J.P. Morgan Chase & Co isn't being discussed [yet], the paper said, citing people familiar with the matter.

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I like this bonus plan better...

"The Grassley 'Japanese Model' - Commit Hari Kari, or Resign Plan"

blogs.abcnews.com

GOP Senator: AIG Execs Should Follow Japanese Model -- Suicide or Apology
March 16, 2009 7:55 PM

In an interview with Cedar Rapids, Iowa, radio station WMT-AM today, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said executives of AIG should consider following what he described of the Japanese model of shamed corporate executives: apology or suicide.

"I don't know whether the ($165 million in bonuses) is an issue as much as just the chutzpah of the people running AIG," Grassley said. "That they could thumb their nose at the taxpayers, it's more that.

"The attitude of these corporate executives and bank executives, and most of them are in New York, that somehow they're not responsible for their company going into the tank," he said.

"I suggest, you know, obviously maybe they ought to be removed, but I would suggest that the first thing that would make me feel a little bit better towards them [is] if they would follow the Japanese example and come before the American people and take that deep bow and say I'm sorry and then either do one of two things: resign or go commit suicide."

Grassley added, "In the case of the Japanese, they usually commit suicide before they make any apology."

Last October, Grassley invoked the Japanese model a little less harshly.

"I’ve suggested it wouldn’t be a bad thing that the leadership of these institutions would take a Japanese-style approach to corporate governance," he said then. "And I’m not talking about going out and committing suicide as some Japanese do in these circumstances, but I am talking about scenes I’ve seen on television where in belly-up corporations the CEOs go before the board of directors, before the public, before the stockholders and bow deeply and apologize for their mismanagement. Something like that happening among Wall Street executives would go a long way toward satisfying my constituents and many Americans that help might be needed and would more gracefully be given by the taxpayers of this county."

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