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Strategies & Market Trends : The Residential Real Estate Crash Index -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Smiling Bob who wrote (185261)2/20/2009 10:47:31 AM
From: Jim McMannisRespond to of 306849
 
A sign solves nothing...

Commercial real estate's crisis point approaching?
$171 billion in loans coming due this year

www3.signonsandiego.com

With credit markets still shaky, about $171 billion in loans backed by offices, shopping centers, hotels and other commercial buildings are coming due this year.
Experts increasingly wonder whether there's enough credit capacity in the system to refinance them.
Yesterday, at a conference sponsored by the Burnham-Moores Center for Real Estate at the University of San Diego, bankers and real estate experts tried to tackle the crucial questions facing the market.
Two of them were: When will the credit freeze thaw, and what can commercial landlords expect when dealing with lenders?
The overall message was that it's too soon to know. Too much uncertainty remains over the direction of the economy and federal efforts to shore it up.
For months, experts have been saying commercial buildings will be the next shoe to drop in a real estate-led downturn that began with toxic subprime home loans and has spread to every sector of the economy.
One reason for concern is that the market for commercial-mortgage-backed securities – bondlike investments backed by bundled commercial mortgages – has all but dried up. Such securities accounted for about half of commercial real estate loans during the boom years of 2006 and 2007.
If landlords can't refinance, it could lead to distress sales as they're forced to get rid of their buildings or face foreclosure – further driving down values of real estate assets – many of which are secured by mortgages held by banks.
While the market in commercial-mortgage-backed securities is stalled, banks and life insurance companies are still making commercial real estate loans.
But they've tightened their standards significantly from the easy-credit days. Lenders are requiring more equity – essentially a larger down payment – and charging higher interest rates on loans.
Where landlords may have been able to get a loan for 80 percent of a building's value during the boom, lenders now are limiting loan amounts to as little as 50 percent of value.
“It's hard to find real estate financing anywhere in the world right now, with the exception of China,” said Gayle Starr, senior vice president at AMB Property Corp. of San Francisco. “The vanilla deals are all that's getting done in this environment.”
Meanwhile, the value of commercial property has fallen in many cases as the economy has deteriorated. Across all types of property, values dropped 17 percent in 2008, said Rebekah Brown, a vice president in asset management for JPMorgan in New York. Forecasts call for values to fall 15 percent further before stabilizing.
David Blackford, chief executive of California Bank & Trust, said the bank isn't financing many new commercial real estate loans because there's no need for new buildings.
“So we're focused on refinancing, and we're most focused on customers who have a lot of deposits with us,” he said.
Richard K. Davis, chief executive of Minneapolis-based U.S. Bancorp, said that a year ago the nationwide unemployment rate was 4.8 percent. Today, it's 7.6 percent and rising. If it goes up to 9.5 percent, almost everyone will know someone who has been laid off, he said.
In such an environment, banks are reluctant to stretch too far when in making loans.
Is the current economic downturn “at bottom, near bottom or just beginning?” Davis asked. “Who knows?”



To: Smiling Bob who wrote (185261)2/20/2009 10:51:12 AM
From: Jim McMannisRespond to of 306849
 
Aborting a mission, a bill or someone in office has nothing to do with murder.



To: Smiling Bob who wrote (185261)2/20/2009 10:54:55 AM
From: Mike M2Respond to of 306849
 
Good idea let's agree to " abort" the topic -g-.



To: Smiling Bob who wrote (185261)2/20/2009 11:02:42 AM
From: MulhollandDriveRespond to of 306849
 
those who believe in 'pro-choice' say abortion isn't murder

you can't let political views be the determinant of the true meaning of any word...

anyway, onto more important things...btw, since he wrote this, the number of people saying they would attend the 'chicago tea party' has doubled to 160K....OVER 9 to 1 voting yes...just amazing

market-ticker.org

Posted by Karl Denninger at 06:48
Examples: Confidence Destroyed

This is exactly what I've been talking about.

First, from Reuters this morning on European indices:

""We're near the cliff's edge, very close to capitulation, the mood is very gloomy," said Jean-Claude Petit, head of equities at Barclays Wealth Managers France.

"I not sure that governments and central banks are realising what's really going on," he said.

What's "really going on" is that our entire financial system has turned into a gigantic clown car. There hasn't been any recognition that the fundamental problem over the last two decades has been fraudulent lending - giving money to people on loan that the lender knows full well has no real chance of being able to pay it back.

Now, having had that happen, we have not had the Governments of the world step up to the plate, admit what occurred, pledge to prosecute those responsible (on both sides of the table - borrower and lender) where fraud occurred and drain the swamp.

On "main street" this was sent to me by email. This is a "Joe Sixpack"; an average American - who has had enough.

This is how America views our markets:

"I have absolutely NO CONFIDENCE in the stock market or ANY MARKET. I was a fool to have invested what I did over the past ten years from working hard in the computer business. I am part of the new generation that will be VERY averse to risk. Hell, I think my 401k money-market fund sounds pretty God damn RISKY right now!

If you want to borrow my hard-earned savings you are damn well going to pay a premium for it. Otherwise it will be stockpiled in mason jars in my back yard. My retirement and investment strategy going forward will be based on SAVINGS and a VERY FEW CONSERVATIVE investments. This is a God d@#@ fraud. I've been fooled once.

God d$#% it. My Grandpa was right. "

That's not the only email like this I've received, and it is one of the cleaner ones in terms of language.

Policy-makers better listen up and do so soon. This, along with Rick Santelli (and by the way, CNBC ran a poll on the "TeaParty", and over eighty thousand people said they would show up!) is tapping into what America feels about all this nonsense.

Let's face the facts - 92% of Americans are either paying their mortgage or don't have one. We didn't use our homes as ATM machines. We didn't lie about our incomes. We played by the rules and do not have bone-crushing debt loads.

The rest of America is a different story.

Another fact: For every American that has a house they can't afford there is another American that wants to own a house, but can't because prices are still too high. For those of us who look at our homes as shelter, not a speculative investment, we don't care what the price is on our abode - we want a place to live, not something to use as a means of "levering up" as some grand ATM that we can tap to pay off our credit cards (which we then charge up once more!) My residence more than tripled in price from 2000 to 2007, and now it has lost most of that appreciation - being worth somewhat more than it was when I bought it. So what? My home is not a speculative investment - if it was, I would have sold it when the Realtors came knocking on my door in 2005.

The FX dislocations that we've seen over the last few days have perplexed me and in addition been cause for great alarm. This is not without foundation. After much study I think I've figured out what's going on - we are witnessing the capital flight that I feared might happen in some of my Tickers from last year.

These moves are hedge funds and others that are leaving The United States with their money. It is flowing out of the United States.

Nor is this limited to hedge funds - it has become essentially impossible to sell Fannie and Freddie paper overseas now too:

"Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Asian investors won’t buy debt and mortgage-backed securities from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac until they carry explicit U.S. guarantees, similar to those given on bonds issued by Bank of America Corp. or Citigroup Inc.

The risks are too great without a pledge that the U.S. will repay the debt no matter what, according to Hideo Shimomura, chief fund investor in Tokyo for Mitsubishi UFJ Asset Management Co., and other bondholders and analysts in Japan, China and South Korea interviewed by Bloomberg. Overseas resistance may hamper U.S. efforts to hold down home-loan rates and rebuild the nation’s largest mortgage-finance companies.

The problem is that we can't guarantee these securities. If we attempt it we will literally double the outstanding debt of the United States overnight. This will in turn destroy the bond market, spiking yields higher, which in turn will crush what's left of the credit markets (including and especially housing.)

Policy-makers must understand: This is a confidence problem and they are responsible for it. The people pulling the levers of power, including Bernanke, the OTS, OCC, President Obama and Geithner (and their predecessors, have intentionally and systematically obscured the facts and looked the other way while various people within Wall Street repeatedly misrepresented the quality of the securities they were peddling and, in many cases, the health of their firms. Do I really need to go back and cite "The economy is fundamentally sound" or "I'm going to burn the shorts" again? None of these people have been held to account for their falsehoods by our government and as a consequence the market is doing the job that government refuses to do, with the result being a market collapse.

We as Americans and in fact investors all over the world have suffered trillions of dollars in harm, a consequence that accrued to us as a direct and proximate consequence of the intentional and willful acts of these government officials and "captains of Wall Street."

Now the people with the money are quite literally leaving. They're finished with the liars and games and are taking their ball and going home, voting with their wallets. The damage being done to our capital markets is reaching critical levels and threatens to stoke a positive feedback loop that is nearly impossible to stop.

Should our policymakers not step up and put a stop to the lies and fraud in the immediate future the other actions they are taking will mean exactly nothing. A "mini-crash" of another 20-30% down in the S&P 500 (which would take us into the 600s) will destroy another 2-3 million American jobs and bankrupt hundreds of midsize and large companies, along with tens of thousands of small firms. An all-on market panic, which is looking increasingly likely and may initiate as soon as today, will result in the bankruptcy of 30% or more of the S&P 500 and an unemployment rate that will exceed 15% within the next twelve months on "official statistics", and U-6 numbers above 25% - rivaling The Great Depression.

There is no more time for game-playing. Our policy-makers were not elected to protect the malefactors and fraudsters; they were elected to protect the people.

Confidence has been lost across the board. If our government does not act decisively and quickly to restore confidence, forcing the fraud into the open and prosecuting those involved, along with setting forth a concrete path of action specifically addressing the issue of "nationalization" (in any of its various forms of dress) for financial institutions capital flight will accelerate, our financial institutions stock prices will continue on their trip to zero and our markets will crash.

My personal confidence is shaken and on the verge of being destroyed, at which point I may as well take my wealth and depart the system entirely with it, buying a piece of arable land, some chickens and goats, a passel of firearms with many cases of ammo and, just in case, some horses so I can still get around if we suffer a catastrophic economic collapse.

Yes folks, I do think it could get that bad, and it could happen very quickly if our government does not step up - now - to address the



To: Smiling Bob who wrote (185261)2/20/2009 11:05:33 AM
From: PoetRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 306849
 
FWIW, I agree with you 99% of the time here but think you've taken this too far.

Agreed that the sign was offensive and took advantage of the military v lay definitions of the term, but free speech is of primary importance.



To: Smiling Bob who wrote (185261)2/20/2009 12:09:34 PM
From: Broken_ClockRespond to of 306849
 
Just remember, you can't have it both ways

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Here's the mirror CB. Take a good look.

Abortion is not murder says the left. Just an abortion. You agree with that.

So why do you now agree with the Okie that abortion IS murder?