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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sully- who wrote (69759)	2/22/2009 4:36:05 PM
From: TimF	3 Recommendations Respond to of 90947

texasrainmaker.com

To: Sully- who wrote (69759)	2/22/2009 4:56:42 PM
From: wlcnyc	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

A link to his "encyclopedia": isebrand.com

To: Sully- who wrote (69759)	2/22/2009 5:26:19 PM
From: Arthur Radley	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Sully...Boy! You have an active imagination....don't recall me making any reference to 'horrific losses so large that they dramatically exceeded the losses in any war the US was ever involved. My point was that OUR defense department bought bullet proof vest from a company that admitted they were shoddy products. I stated that our defense department refused field commanders request to provide them armored vehicles by putting armored plants on a vehicle that couldn't support the weight, just breaking down in battle and giving added exposure to OUR troops. Why would you want to refuse our troops the best equipment...........that is what I would do. By the way, you must have been the military........right? But just to show you that I'm willing to post information about Democrats that I find abhorrent. For example the following historical event involves Averill Harriman, a person who ran for President, two times. Don't you agree with me that any parties involved in what must be acts of treason against our country, since they were in partnership that funded Hitler's war machine that killed our United States of America military? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ During WW I Clarence Dillon, a senior member at the War Industries Board (WIB) used his influence to appoint a certain individual to become the chief of the Ordnance Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the (WIB). This individual had close ties to the Rockefeller family and Samuel Pryor, the owners of Remington Arms Company, the company that supplied over half of the small-arms ammunition and 69% of the rifles used by the United States military in WW I. In 1926 this individual became vice president of W. A. Harriman & Company. At the same time, Harriman & Company was forming a partnership with the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, creating the German Steel Trust with the aforementioned unnamed individual being the direct supervisor of this operation. In 1928 Thyssen formed United Steelworks, a company that controlled more than 75 per cent of Germany’s ore reserves and employed 200,000 people. Thyssen then started a joint-venture with Harriman & Company called the Union Banking Corporation. This bank was used to transfer funds between the United States and Germany. Today we have a term for why the bank was set up for operation…it’s called “money laundering” and is a federal crime. The money was being funneled to Adolph Hitler in order for him to build his arsenal of war weapons and to amass his army of ‘storm troopers’. Once again, this unnamed individual became the managing director for this operation that ultimately bought weapons that killed our United States of America soldiers when we were drawn into World War II. Finally, on October 20th, 1942, the United State government seized the assets of the Union Banking Corporation and the Silesian-American Corporation, a company that was also being managed by the mystery man. The Union Bank Corporation stock shares were owned by the same mystery man, Roland Harriman and members of the Nazi Party. This seizure action was taken by applying the provisions of the Trading with the Enemy Act as created by our Congress. So who is this mystery man and has his family continued to gain wealth by providing weapons of war that always involves the death of American soldiers --soldiers who didn’t die in vain, but in fighting for their country’s freedom?

To: Sully- who wrote (69759)	2/22/2009 6:00:07 PM
From: Arthur Radley	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 90947

Sully...let me remind you that you, by the header for this thread say that facts are offered here. Let me give you just three examples of where, in the short time I've posted here, facts are ignored and falsehoods offered in rebuttal: 1) I stated that our recent defense budgets cuts started under G.H. Bush and Dick Cheney. The rebuttals stated this wasn't true, however, if one looks at our defense budget since Reagan began his term you will find that under G.H. Bush, the budget was $427.7 his first year, but at the end of his term the budget had dropped to $379.6. There is no denying that under Clinton the budget went down, but even in his case the last year he was in office the budget went up. My only point was that Bush I started this process, with Cheney leading the effort. 2)When the issue of stimulus funding excluding money for Katrina damage, I merely said that wasn't true as the impacted areas of LA. and MS. would get money to put in commuter train service. The rebuttal offered was that this area already had train service on Amtrak and this person gave me information from travel agencies that showed this was the case. When I referred this individual to the OFFICIAL website of Amtrak and even offered to buy him a ticket on the route if he could find such a service, he only reply was that he wasn't into train trips. On this issue of stimulus money, it would be nice if those of your ilk would take the time to read it.....the allocation of money goes to the states.....it is state officials that divvy out the money, so it is they that will decide if the money goes for a snake farm or for Katrina projects. 3) But the most absurd response was the poster who took me to task over the DJIA dropping during the combined period of Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II, when Clinton's gain was excluded. This person instead of addressing the straight fact that the DJIA dropped during this period, he starts talking about percentage gains on individual stocks, which is irrelevant to the issue that I stated. I stated...the DJIA went down for the twenty years of the latest Republican administrations. I used this person's supplied numbers to SHOW him that the DJIA would be lower than when Reagan went into office. What is the relevence of this fact and this person talking about one stock going up. What about the other 29 stocks going down.....thus, giving a numerical decline in the DJIA....this really isn't rocket science....So let me repeat.........The DJIA during the period of Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II was lower at the end of Bush II term when the gains from Clinton are removed from how the DJIA is calculated. This again is simple math.....a person can make 500% in one stock but if the other 29 stocks go down.......you have lost money!