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To: orkrious who wrote (101722)	2/28/2009 7:23:55 AM
From: Robin Plunder	1 Recommendation Respond to of 110194

"I can't speak for fleck, but I suspect many people, myself included, knew that the status quo had to go. people hoped that obama would be an improvement. as far as I am concerned he is, even though he doesn't have a clue economically. he's still better than bush. there was no doubt in my mind that we were f*cked, no matter who won. the problems are much bigger than the office. it's going to take time to work out, a long time." there is absolutely no support anywhere in our society for "save and invest" as a cultural outlook vs "borrow and spend", our entire govt and voting population are focussed on the latter....so there is no way we can possibly have change in a positive direction. Robin

To: orkrious who wrote (101722)	2/28/2009 9:12:26 AM
From: zamboz	3 Recommendations Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 110194

"even though he doesn't have a clue economically. he's still better than bush" Not totally clueless. Below is an excerpt from his first economic press conference. cnn.com Question: Thank you, Mr. President. In your opening remarks, you talked about that, if your plan works the way you want it to work, it's going to increase consumer spending. But isn't consumer spending, or overspending, how we got into this mess? And if people get money back into their pockets, do you not want them saving it or paying down debt first before they start spending money into the economy? Obama: Well, first of all, I don't think it's accurate to say that consumer spending got us into this mess. What got us into this mess initially were banks taking exorbitant, wild risks with other people's monies based on shaky assets and because of the enormous leverage, where they had $1 worth of assets and they were betting $30 on that $1, what we had was a crisis in the financial system. That led to a contraction of credit, which, in turn, meant businesses couldn't make payroll or make inventories, which meant that everybody became uncertain about the future of the economy, so people started making decisions accordingly, reducing investment, initiating layoffs, which, in turn, made things worse. Now, you are making a legitimate point, Chuck, about the fact that our savings rate has declined and this economy has been driven by consumer spending for a very long time. And that's not going to be sustainable. You know, if -- if all we're doing is spending and we're not making things, then over time other countries are going to get tired of lending us money and eventually the party's going to be over. Well, in fact, the party now is over. And so the -- the sequence of how we're approaching this is as follows. Our immediate job is to stop the downward spiral, and that means putting money into consumers' pockets. It means loosening up credit. It means putting forward investments that not only employ people immediately, but also lay the groundwork for long-term economic growth. And -- and that, by the way, is important, even if you're a fiscal conservative, because the biggest problem we're going to have with our federal budget is if we continue a situation in which there are no tax revenues because economic growth is plummeting at the same time as we've got more demands for unemployment insurance, we've got more demands for people who have lost their health care, more demand for food stamps. That will put enormous strains on the federal budget, as well as the state budget. So the most important thing we can do for our budget crisis right now is to make sure that the economy doesn't continue to tank. And that's why passing the economic recovery plan is the right thing to do, even though I recognize that it's expensive