To: Elmer Phud who wrote (259280 ) 3/31/2009 5:13:10 PM From: fastpathguru Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 275872 fpg, that was no concession, it was part of a point you may have to face one day. Reasonable people apply a single standard. You've applied different standards depending on who they are applied to. Let's see...If there is no evidence proving AMD Management was involved that proves they are innocent in your mind. By your own standard: Were they convicted in a court of law? No? INNOCENT. Did they ever face charges? Did they ever go in front of any judicial body? No? Then WTF are you complaining about?If there is no evidence proving Intel Management was involved then Intel is still guilty, again in your mind. Were they convicted in a court of law? Unknown. They have not gone to trial yet. NO CONCLUSION. (However, they have faced or are facing charges by multiple courts/judicial bodies, and have lost 2 for 2 cases against antitrust commissions, have a 3rd outstanding, are facing another trial in US court, AND are now under investigation by the USDOJ. Not quite equivalent to AMD's role, or should I say, lack-thereof, in the espionage case.)By your reasoning and if we applied your standard then AMD is once again guilty of stealing Intel IP whether or not we can prove Management involvement. Management again... WTF is it with you and Intel management? And AMD was NOT involved... An individual was, acting on his own behalf and NOT AMDs, as far as anyone (i.e. the FBI) can tell.If you believe that the actions of a single rogue employee at AMD do not implicate the entire company then you are going to have to apply the same standard to Intel if you want to be reasonable and consistent. I won't hold my breath. I promise Elmer, I will. If you can show me the rogue, I will. The FBI said that the guy who stole Intel secrets was a rogue. NOW SHOW ME THE INTEL ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. SHOW ME THE ROGUE. . . . . . . Thought not. fpg