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To: one_less who wrote (472110)	4/15/2009 1:46:10 PM
From: Steve Dietrich	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576308

During the Bush Administration it was the position of the Attorney General that Waterboarding was not classified as torture. This is true. But you yourself think waterboarding is torture according to the UN Convention on Torture. We signed and ratified that convention by 1994. The convention allows no exceptions, no excuses: en.wikipedia.org Article 2 of the convention prohibits torture, and requires parties to take effective measures to prevent it in any territory under its jurisdiction. This prohibition is absolute and non-derogable. "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever"[5] may be invoked to justify torture, including war, threat of war, internal political instability, public emergency, terrorist acts, violent crime, or any form of armed conflict.[6] Torture cannot be justified as a means to protect public safety or prevent emergencies.[6] Neither can it be justified by orders from superior officers or public officials.[7] The prohibition on torture applies to all territories under a party's effective jurisdiction, and protects all people under its effective control, regardless of citizenship or how that control is exercised.[6] Since the Conventions entry into force, this absolute prohibition has become accepted as a principle of customary international law.[6] SD

To: one_less who wrote (472110)	4/15/2009 7:08:39 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576308

During the Bush Administration it was the position of the Attorney General that Waterboarding was not classified as torture. For this reason the allegation that Bush admitted to authorizing torture is false. Whether a former AG believed that waterboarding was torture or not torture is immaterial to this discussion. During the Bush administration, there had beem two laws passed by Congress and a ruling by the USSC that were intended to ban waterboarding as an interrogation technique because it was considered torture. Yet, Tony Fratto from the WH claimed that waterboarding was legal and that Bush could authorize the CIA to resume using waterboarding. This is after the WH's denied for years that they had authorized torture: latimes.com Anyone foolish enough to believe that Bush was not lying through his teeth and to defend him over this issue deserves to be snookered 24/7.