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To: RMF who wrote (34935)	4/22/2009 4:46:18 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71588

No RMF we didn't create Al Qaeda in Iraq, but we (in concert with local allies) did largely remove it. We also helped to create Hezbollah and Hamas. Al Qaeda in Iraq at least has a very strong connection to our presence in Iraq. Hezbollah and Hamas have little or no connection along those lines. After we went into Afghanistan we got offers from Iran to open relations. And we've gotten offers since then. The offers basically amount to apologize for everything you've done in the Middle East, and then pull out except to the extent we support Iran's aims. Open relations is fine, but having Iran set the agenda for the US is not. and that led to this new "Imanutjob" guy getting elected in Iran and their funding Hamas and Hezbollah Iran has been ruled by radical "Imanutjob" types before Ahmadinejad was elected, and he isn't the real ruler of Iran, Ali Khamenei is and has been since 1989 (and before that he held the lesser post of president which Ahmadinejad holds now). Before him it was Khomeini, who took over in 1979. Hezbollah has been supported by Iran since it started in 1982. Hamas has been allied with Iran since the early 90s.

To: RMF who wrote (34935)	4/26/2009 11:04:47 PM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71588

we didn't "remove" any Al Queada from Iraq. Technically you are correct. They remain burried there. However there are many fewer operating there now than before we liberated Iraq from their state sponsor, Hussein. We also helped to create Hezbollah and Hamas. You are going to have to spin that yarn so we can all see how you came to believe this. Clinton came closer than anyone else in getting a peace agreement between Palistine and Israel. Arafat nor any of the Arab Israelis ever denounced the platform that they need to destroy Israel. Clinton came close to assuring the destruction of Israel than any other President. Obama is likely to best him on that metric.