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To: GST who wrote (199488)	5/1/2009 2:50:56 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

GST, you ought to know any government healthcare system will be set up so that the primary users (soon to be boomers in this case) will not pay for what they use. it will be no different than social security or medicaid - and those two alone will bankrupt the nation right now. the fundamental theme here is that boomers resisted paying for anyone else's healthcare when they were earning lots of cash and retirement was "far away" for them, but now they want someone else to foot their healthcare bill - and they've confused theft with a moral play. now, if you support the elderly (boomers as they age, including you and i) actually paying for their services (as they are the richest group of people in the nation - and the boomers will be as they age, too) and not running up yet another bill to foist onto future generations, as they have done with all their other bills, i'll support you. is that what you are saying? you still haven't addressed the morality of a broke and in debt (due to previous generations fiscal terrorism) 18 year old funding the health care of bill gates or the millionaire real estate agent or mortgage agent. nor, might i add, have you offered to ante up what you are asking the youth to do - put $400k into health care by the time they are 40. it is too easy to take from others... especially the defenseless.

To: GST who wrote (199488)	5/1/2009 5:52:09 PM
From: Tommaso	Respond to of 306849

>>>the person who is truly going to be fatally harmed by the current system is the guy who today, at 18, has no idea that the world around him is on the verge of financial meltdown<<< This is where I disagree with you. A person like that with any brains at all will adjust quickly to the new order and take advantage of it. It's not-too-bright old people with all their life savings in banks who will find their purchasing power diminishing.

To: GST who wrote (199488)	5/2/2009 3:15:59 AM
From: jazz_lover	Respond to of 306849

"As for inter-generational warfare -- the person who is truly going to be fatally harmed by the current system is the guy who today, at 18, has no idea that the world around him is on the verge of financial meltdown. The 18 your old today will be at the epicenter of this storm in coming years." What line of work would you recommend the 18 year old pursue, if he was your 18 year old? Thanks.

To: GST who wrote (199488)	5/2/2009 1:02:11 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 306849

>>The looming financial catastrophe facing the USA in the not too distant future has its roots in the train wreck that is our health care 'system'<< wrong. it is a society that doesn't pay its way. healthcare is just one of many symptoms. if everyone paid their own way, there is no problem. i hear you touting the virtues of healthcare now, but i don't hear you touting the virtues of "pay your own way" iow, it sounds like you want someone else to pay for your healthcare.

To: GST who wrote (199488)	5/2/2009 7:17:57 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 306849

The simple fact is that on a national scale we have a horrible 'system' that delivers mediocre health care at an astronomical cost The health care isn't mediocre. It is the best in the world. And it isn't a close race. Yes, it is more expensive. When you get the best health care in the world you have to expect it to cost more. and that cost is heading to the moon in coming years unless we make fundamental changes. Yes, this is correct. And if those changes involve covering 10-15 Million (that's right -- not 45 Million) people who currently don't have insurance available to them, then one of two things has to happen -- a) The cost must go up, or b) The quality must go down. In addition to the cost in dollars, we have a 'system' that absolutely screws a huge number of people who have done nothing to deserve being screwed. What on earth are you talking about? We are going bankrupt because we can't get beyond the political and ideological crap and create a workable system of universal health care -- lets get on with it before it really is too late. So, you think "universal health care" -- covering more people -- is the solution to increasing costs. Do you know how insane that suggestion is? It would appear to me that you've bought into the liberal lie that American health care is bad (when it is the best available anywhere) and that somehow, you can save money by covering more people with free insurance. American health care is expensive for two basic reasons: a) It is the best in the world, and b) American health care subsidizes the rest of the world's health care because they can't pay for it on their own. When they're talking about "Swine Flu", you don't hear France or Great Britain or Canada doing anything about it. It is the CDC. An American institution. When you look at drugs like Tamiflu, they were developed in New Jersey, not in London or Paris. I urge everyone who is not knowledgeable about this subject (that would be you) to find out something about it. One you get socialized medicine, it is too late to take it back -- we're stuck with it. And your government will be deciding (as Great Britain's did recently) not to provide the best treatments for cancer in someone whom you know, because it is just too expensive.