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To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (481449)	5/17/2009 12:49:11 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575601

I think in this case, Obama is just going to have to give in to the wingnuts and investigate all this torture stuff to death. He should just ask the AG to appoint a special prosecutor and move on.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (481449)	5/17/2009 1:13:49 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1575601

"So far, the Obama team has a history of doing a little jujitsu when it seems like a story is getting out of their control and turning it to their advantage." Hard to see where he can leverage an advantage out of this. He has been trying to avoid a Truth Commission. It makes you wonder what he found out after he got in office. But this thing is spinning beyond what a Truth Commission can handle. So it is looking special prosecutor time. What the ones baying for Pelosi's blood don't understand is that there is a very nasty fish hook here. Well, a couple. For one, no one has put the numbers together yet. But the waterboarding was a lot more intensive than they've been pretending. Let's take the CIA at its word. KSM was subjected to 183 pours. Now they didn't go into detail, but I suspect a pour is more than a few tablespoons. Probably enough to keep the victim from breathing the maximum allotted time. For ease of calculation, say a minute. That means that KSM was subjected to over 3 hours of this spread out over a few months. Quite a different story than what they were saying initially that the procedure lasted seconds to a couple of minutes. How is this supposed to work with the ticking time bomb scenario? It doesn't sound like it is quick at all. Number 2, that aide to Powell who is claiming that torture was used to get confession od Saddam-AQ links. Sadly, this makes sense, torture is real good at false confessions, that is its historical use. However, if it is true, then that is well beyond the nounds that have been set. I fail to see how a false confessions keeps Americans safe, which has been the still pretty weak defense. It does serve strictly political goals. Granted, i-node is probably down with it, as are probably most of the 20% or dead-enders. But, I don't think anyone else will. In fact, if proven true, it is going to be hard to keep Cheney and even Bush out of the World Court. And there will be a hard press to completely investigate what Smirk's administration was up to for 8 years. And that could take a decade or more and derail Obama's plans. It is reminiscent of when Clinton came to office. He wanted to focus on domestic issues, he didn't really care about international stuff. But the rest of the world didn't leave him alone and he wound up spending a lot of time and effort on the international scene.