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To: Suma who wrote (111956)	5/26/2009 3:41:31 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541556

There will probably be a ballot initiative to overturn Prop 8 at the next major election. The courts are going to accept whichever way the majority wants to go. Just a matter of time before Prop 8 falls, given the demographics of the electorate that will vote on it in the future.

To: Suma who wrote (111956)	5/26/2009 4:57:02 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541556

It infuriates me to think how the Mormons influenced the vote Suma, I don't know if you knew about this website? eightmaps.com The gay community in CA put this up after Prop 8 passed to identify those people who donated money in support of Prop 8. There are a couple of other websites similar to this one. All in all, donors can now be identified by name, street address, and workplace. Ordinary people who cared enough about something to make a small personal contribution and get off their rears and go vote are now marked such that any disaffected person out there could bundle all his or her grievances, get drunk or high, and go hunt these donors down and either harrass or hurt them or worse. As a citizen of a democracy which holds the freedom to vote as sacrosanct, this website infuriates me. I'm not unsympathetic to your disappointment, but can you imagine the outroar if all the names and addresses of gay people who donated to defeat Prop 8 were identified on such a map on the web? I know two Mormon families in CA with little flags by their name, who are a little nervous knowing some wacko could at any time decide to drive over and take out his real or imagined sense of disenfranchisement against them. I also know two other Mormon families in CA that originally voted AGAINST Prop 8, and who would now vote for it because of the way the gay community has identified donors and even harassed a few of them at their workplace, costing some their jobs. Maybe this is why the CA Supreme Court voted 6-1 to uphold the vote of the people? Perhaps the CA Supreme Court doesn't take lightly efforts by one group to stigmatize and punish another group for the way it voted. Again, just picture the outrage in this country if all the names, addresses, and workplaces of every gay person in this country was published on a website map. You mentioned Iowa as being more progressive than CA. Not likely. The difference is that the issue was decided by the Iowa Supreme Court, not the vote of the people of Iowa. If memory serves, all the states that have legalized gay marriage have done so by the courts, not by popular vote.