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To: RetiredNow who wrote (8651)	5/28/2009 8:46:49 PM
From: Little Joe	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

It strikes me as odd that there is all this fuss over 3 people being waterboarded, when we kill and maim thousands of people in wars with a whole lot less agnst and when many have no objection to the war, but are horrified by the waterboarding. lj

To: RetiredNow who wrote (8651)	5/28/2009 8:59:43 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 86356

What I find amazing is that the GOP, who claim to be the party of evangelists and moral superiority, are the same ones who actively argue in favor of torture. What would Jesus say about torture? Guess what.. most of the harsh interrogation techniques from WWII, Korea, and Vietnam occurred under a DEMOCRATIC WHITE HOUSE. And btw, I'm against "torture" as well. You just have a different threshold than I do. What you refer to as torture, I and most of past society, has referred to as Corporal Punishment. I have no problem slapping a prisoner around if the situation warrants it. Without fear of bodily discomfort being present, there is little incentive for the prisoner to cooperate, even if you are offering favorable treatment (carrot or stick.. Good Cop/Bad Cop strategy). I would also concur that drilling holes into people's kneecaps, or physically disfiguring the prisoner, is torture. Any prisoner who suffered such a fate would recognize their odds of living were slim and they would say anything the enemy wanted to hear in order to alleviate the pain. I wouldn't condone severe beatings unless it was clear the prisoner held information that might save human lives. Kind of like that Colonel who fired his pistol off next to the ear of suspected Iraqi traitor. He got the information he needed, saved the lives of many soldiers, and got relieved for his effort. But to this day he probably walks around with his head held high knowing he did the right thing at the time. en.wikipedia.org Harsh interrogation is tailored to offer the promise of greater comfort when the prisoner finally tells his captors what he knows. Sure.. he might lie, but the odds are more against it than if he thinks it makes no difference because he's going to die anyway because his captors will no release him since he'd be living evidence of torture. Hawk

To: RetiredNow who wrote (8651)	5/29/2009 4:04:04 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

Thats an appeal to stereotype. The GOP do not "claim to be the party of evangelists and moral superiority". the GOP, who claim to be the party of evangelists and moral superiority Liberal Democrats, however, DO claim to be the party of moral superiority. They chose a national chairman shortly after he made remarks like those below, imo BECAUSE he expressed the hatred and disdain for Republicans as "evil" that most liberal Democrats cherish: "I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for." "This is a struggle between good and evil and we're the good."