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To: stockman_scott who wrote (168844)	6/5/2009 9:00:39 AM
From: Travis_Bickle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 362940

That piece sums up perfectly why I think GM is totally and completely ****ed. GM should be about one thing and one thing only, making profits. To the extent it is distracted by anything else, like making electric cars that only a handful of people will buy, it just isn't going to work.

To: stockman_scott who wrote (168844)	6/5/2009 11:04:07 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 362940

"I chronicled how GM began changing the conversation with the environmental community," If this had occurred in 1960 or '70 or '80 or '90, GM would still be the largest manufacturer in the whirled. They fought us, and the safety people, every step of the way. Foreigners figured it out for themselves, or with their Green Parties. A bit late now for the folks who laughed at the Beetle. Seat belts? Drive the cost up and put Americans out of work. Shit.

To: stockman_scott who wrote (168844)	6/5/2009 11:33:19 AM
From: Wharf Rat	1 Recommendation Respond to of 362940

Study: Climate change altering lake levels Friday, June 05, 2009 By John S. Hausman jhausman@muskegonchronicle.com WEST MICHIGAN -- A new study blames a post-1998 plunge in upper Great Lakes water levels on changing climate patterns -- not a manmade "drain hole" sucking lake water out the St. Clair River. So there's no need to plug the leak ... for now. But global warming might make a St. Clair fix necessary in the future. Those are the preliminary conclusions of a draft report published recently as part of a massive study of Great Lakes water levels. West Michigan residents will have a chance to hear scientists present their findings, and to ask questions and offer comments, at a public meeting Tuesday in Muskegon. "We'd like to see a broad range of people come out ... property owners along the lake, boaters, people who are concerned about the environment, people whose livelihoods may depend on the lakes," said John Nevin, spokesman for the agency that sponsored the study. "We want to hear from citizens, what are their values? How do they feel about water levels going up and down? How do they feel about increased regulation that may limit the fluctuations?" The Muskegon meeting will be linked by video with two other public meetings taking place at the same time in Ontario -- in Sault Ste. Marie and Perry Sound. The idea is to enable residents of opposite ends of the Michigan-Huron-Superior basin to hear each others' concerns, Nevin said. The report is the first fruit of a five-year study by the International Joint Commission, a U.S.-Canadian panel that mediates Great Lakes issues and recommends governmental actions. The $15 million International Upper Great Lakes Study is examining whether actions are needed to stabilize water levels in lakes Michigan, Huron and Superior. Water levels in lakes Michigan and Huron, which are technically one lake, plunged nearly 4 feet between 1998 and 2007, approaching record lows. Wetter, cooler weather in the last 18 months has raised levels back to within 5 inches of their long-term average, but there's no guarantee that will continue indefinitely. The just-released study examines one of the major lake-level issues: Whether earlier dredging in the St. Clair River led to the post-1998 plunge by creating an excessively large "drain hole," possibly requiring construction of a structure in the river to control water flow. Lakes Michigan and Huron drain into the St. Clair River, which flows into the Detroit River and Lake Erie. The scientists concluded that St. Clair is not the culprit. While some increased flow from Huron into the river occurred in recent decades -- mainly after the 1984 breakup of a major ice jam that "scoured" a lot of sediment out of the river bed -- that was a relatively minor part of the problem, the report said. A much bigger factor was a change in climate patterns, with warm, dry weather prevailing in the Michigan-Huron basin starting in the 1990s, the scientists found. The policy recommendations: * Remedial measures should not be taken in the St. Clair River "at this time." * But they should be examined as part of the next stage of the Great Lakes study, which is assessing the future effects of global warming on lakes Superior, Michigan and Huron. mlive.com