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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (24816)	6/12/2009 3:25:14 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36917

The C02 bromides and slogans won't be much consolation to farmers freezing in the dark and facing hardships this summer when the best Al Gore can do is tell them to use less toilet paper. Canadian politicians are trained to believe global warming is a thing to be taken seriously without questioning any denial is met with sharp rebukes and denunciations. After all we are the home of David Suzuki. Suzuki and Gore mingle with groupies en.wikipedia.org

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (24816)	6/12/2009 9:39:17 AM
From: R2O	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36917

The climate models, as far as I've seen (educate me please if not true --- show me the code, not AlGore quotes!), are 'flat earth' models. The world I live on has coriolis forces due to rotation. The climate models do not. The world I live on has both day and night. The climate models do not. The climate I live in is dominated by a single greenhouse gas: water vapor. Unfortunately, water vapor often becomes liquid or solid making life difficult for climate models --- so it is largely ignored. The world I live on has a jet stream that deeply effects climate as well as weather (and also changes observations against which models are (or should be) compared). The climate models do not. The world I live on has living plants that cause local diurnal CO2 concentrations to vary by 50%. The climate models do not. So we should not be surprised that fudge factors are used to make the model 'true' when confronted by mismatch between reality and model. The 'invariant' to be preserved is the model: all other parameters need to be adjusted to preserve it. R2O