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To: Lane3 who wrote (7309)	6/26/2009 10:05:44 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17090

Your summary is somewhat harsh, methinks. It IS a long letter and if you read it entirely you will find that he is not fussing about cholesterol or trans fats...they are barely mentioned. WHAT IS mentioned over and over again is FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES. It is true that (like Gabe Mirkin) he tends to emphasise whole grains over meats. If memory serves, you and I are much alike in emphasizing the opposite--meats over whole grains. In terms of the economies of a healthy nation, a diet of meat for the average income level would probably mean that they could not afford the variety of healthy food that is nutrient rich. Meat is very costly. And it is not meat per se that people need. It is PROTEIN. And that is one of the points. I get his daily email recipe and health tip. He is no extremist. The recipes ARE healthy and are cooked healthy. Sometimes beans or fish or other proteins take the place of meat. As individuals, you and I can modify any of his opinions as we see fit. But his core idea of nutrient rich foods is sound and offers people healthy alternatives to processed sugar foods. His list of the worlds healthiest foods would certainly improve the health of millions now subsisting instead on sugar cereals and sugar everything else the rest of the day. Now I'm heading to the fridge to find some meat--preferably with a little sweet fat on it...maybe a glass of wine. Vegetables Asparagus Avocados Beets Bell peppers Broccoli Brussels sprouts Cabbage Carrots Cauliflower Celery Collard greens Cucumbers Eggplant Fennel Garlic Green beans Green peas Kale Leeks Mushrooms, crimini Mushrooms, shiitake Mustard greens Olives Onions Potatoes Romaine lettuce Sea vegetables Spinach Squash, summer Squash, winter Sweet potatoes Swiss chard Tomatoes Turnip greens Yams Seafood Cod Halibut Salmon Scallops Shrimp Tuna Fruits Apples Apricots Bananas Blueberries Cantaloupe Cranberries Figs Grapefruit Grapes Kiwifruit Lemon/Limes Oranges Papaya Pears Pineapple Plums Prunes Raisins Raspberries Strawberries Watermelon Eggs & Low-Fat Dairy Cheese, low-fat Eggs Milk, 2%, cow's Milk, goat Yogurt Beans & Legumes Black beans Dried peas Garbanzo beans (chickpeas) Kidney beans Lentils Lima beans Miso Navy beans Pinto beans Soybeans Tempeh Tofu Poultry & Lean Meats Beef, lean organic Calf's liver Chicken Lamb Turkey Venison Nuts & Seeds Almonds Cashews Flaxseeds Olive oil, extra virgin Peanuts Pumpkin seeds Sesame seeds Sunflower seeds Walnuts Grains Barley Brown rice Buckwheat Corn Millet Oats Quinoa Rye Spelt Whole wheat Spices & Herbs Basil Black pepper Cayenne pepper Chili pepper, dried Cilantro/Coriander seeds Cinnamon, ground Cloves Cumin seeds Dill Ginger Mustard seeds Oregano Parsley Peppermint Rosemary Sage Thyme Turmeric Natural Sweeteners Blackstrap molasses Cane juice Honey Maple syrup Other Green tea Soy sauce (tamari) Water

To: Lane3 who wrote (7309)	6/29/2009 8:23:30 PM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17090

I still think the Russian research in 1890 which noticed a higher uptake of cholesterol from the intestine in the presence of carbohydrates and fat is germane, as well as the finding reproduced in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition that exogenous cholesterol makes up 70% of arterial plaque, is also significant. The trouble is we don't know exactly why the oxidized exogenous (food contained) cholesterol ends up on the arteries. It is largely because it is oxidized. It is true that the cholesterol is "made up" by the liver if not supplied in food, but the facts are that cholesterol made by the liver is much less oxidized, and therefore has far less chance of getting into the arteries than the food-borne kind. The real mechanism in many different systems, by which cholesterol combines with calcium and forms arterial plaque is poorly understood. All we can talk about are risk factors and attempt to control those. In fact diet is a major risk factor and it would appear, the eating of excess meat, particularly with our present food mix, is part of that risk. It has always been so. Heart disease has been seen a disease of the idle indolent rich since the time of Hippocrates. The hardworking diet deprived poor did not suffer near as much from gout and hardening of the arteries, although it appeared to run in families as well. It is clear from studies that eating fish as few as 3 to 4 times a week decreases the prevalence of death from heart disease by as much as 40%. It is better in fact than Lipitor. Being low in weight is a factor. Eliminating stress helps. Working out stress by regular prolonged exercise helps as well. Walking is a plus factor. Eating lots of leafy greens is not a bad thing. We know the B vitamins well absorbed play a role in lipid control and blood thinning. Once the arteries are compromised arterial turbulence and bad diet compound factors readily, leading to a snowballing effect and an inexorable decline. Drastic measures are needed. Just a little bit of exercise and meagre dietary changes won't do it. you need to lay on the religion to the system. Across the board cuts in fats, meat, calories, sugars and carbs. Go big of go to the cemetery. All the platitudes about this or that percentage cut found by wimpy assed tests by medical groups is just going to add to confusion. Steak and potatoes are your enemy. Add whole milk, butter, 3000 calories, and watch TV and you might as well phone the mortuary and have your plot laid out. Lose all kinds of weight on crash diets and you will still have that heart attack. I have seen it! So what do you do? I keep coming back to the mantra. Therapy is a whole hog, all or nothing exercise. If a few fad diets worked, then there would be no heart attacks at all. The Island people of Okinawa and Crete who live so long are FAR FAR different in what they eat and how they exercise than you. Their fresh tuna, shellfish, and fresh no insecticide veggies are way different than your plate a day of TV dinner and mashed. You had better believe it. They have been walking in the mountains and fishing from a dory since birth. If you want to catch up you will have to get a pair of Extra Super Duper Super Pumas and a whole new attitude about scoff. And to catch up this year, take my advice. Lay on the right supplements. Don't believe lindy bill and other "experts". They really, really, really, really, really HAVEN'T been there. IF they knew they would say they knew. They would not refer you to other "experts" who are back to the same old AMA crap about diet, which is just that. If it worked, they would not need lipitor. I don't need it. I really don't. I determined that by cholesterol panels that went from 6.5 to 4.3 (251 to 166) TC in 3 months, and a blood pressure that went from 198/120 to 130/80 in the same time. AND a HDL that went from 0.85 to 1.10 32.9 to 42.6 in that time. Lipitor won't do that. No. It don't do that. Well? And eating fish and celery is as good as taking Lipitor statistically! Anti-oxidants are the ONLY things that will keep a homocysteinuric alive. Lipitor won't. Think about it.