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To: LTK007 who wrote (212478)7/25/2009 1:12:25 PM
From: pheilman_Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 306849
 
Lets try another tack: Who knew the Milgram experiment wasn't real? Everyone but the single subject.

Who knew the Zimbardo experiment wasn't real? One single person, Caroline. Not Philip, not the guards, not the prisoners, not the priest, not the cops, not even the parents. Caroline was the only person out of the 70 outside visitors that saw that it was an experiment that had subsumed the researchers. Her horror stopped the experiment before it had even completed 1/2 the planned duration. Zimbardo thought of himself more as a prison warden, the guards devised ever more humiliating punishments, the parents helped keep their own kids there as prisoners.

Just saying they were two very different events. And there is a difference between play-acting and really torturing. Did Sir Olivier sweat while drilling Dustin's teeth?

Or another way. The Milgram experiment was just that, a reasonably well set up experiment that was, mostly, safe and had a result. It could even be repeated and was. The Zimbardo experiment was a horrifying insight into the darkness of men's souls that was so evil it directly led to limits on all subsequent psychology experiments conducted at universities.

Who knew the CDOs were crap? No-one or everyone? S&P claims they had no idea. Goldman Sachs claims they had no idea. Bank America, Golden West, .......