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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Road Walker who wrote (7989)8/1/2009 12:02:21 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42652
 
That's a natural law?

Isn't it? I can't imagine it being otherwise, human nature being what it is. How else might it play out? Have you never arrived a bit late to a party where there was a buffet?



To: Road Walker who wrote (7989)8/1/2009 1:19:55 PM
From: i-node  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 42652
 
So all the Euro systems are doomed to failure... and we are the one on the right track. I think an unbiased observer would disagree.

"All"? Who knows.

But in France, between 1970 and 2003 health care spending per capita rose 1486% versus in the US 1622%.

US 1622%
Austria 1533%
Belgium 2057%
Ireland 2098%
Norway 2673%
Switzerland 1096%
UK 1421%

Since 1990?

US 207%
Austria 221%
Belgium 227%
Ireland 309%
Norway 271%
Switzerland 190%
UK 235%

I think some of you don't realize that a substantial portion of these cost increases are due to systemic changes within our economy. We no longer manufacture anything. So it is quite expected that health care costs as a portion of our GDP will rise.

Our health care costs are no worse, rising no faster, than most of the rest of the world, yet we provide better care to our people than anyone else.

There is plenty that can be done to save money, but socialized medicine or single payer both move us AWAY from, not TOWARD, that objective.



To: Road Walker who wrote (7989)8/14/2009 5:05:13 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 42652
 
The European countries have costs that are rising to a similar rate to ours. Even if you assume that "single payer" (or whatever other specific ideas they have) is all or most of the difference in cost (which is very debatable to say the least), arguably the transition would only give us a one time cost cut, with the same fundamental cost problem remaining, just pushed back for a bit.