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To: Little Joe who wrote (104218)	8/2/2009 9:48:18 PM
From: alanrs	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

"rationally-based evidence" I've heard of circumstantial evidence, but rationally-based evidence is new to me, but then I'm not a lawyer. It has happened, in my own personal life, that I was required to show some authority my birth certificate and I did so. I wonder how 'rationally-based evidence' goes over at the DMV for us little people. Actually, I do know how it goes over at the DMV. It doesn't. ARS

To: Little Joe who wrote (104218)	8/2/2009 10:12:06 PM
From: Gib Bogle	4 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

Are you one of these nutters? He has released his birth certificate - that's what a Certificate of Live Birth is!! See the words "certificate" and "birth"? You can search for it online if you haven't already seen it. How do you think he got a passport without showing a birth certificate? BTW all such information is stored in computers these days, not on pieces of paper, and is printed out as necessary. "Rationally-based" was shorthand for evidence that is acceptable to any rational person, which is the same as evidence acceptable to the agency responsible for issuing passports. Additional evidence: statements by the Hawaii officials concerned, birth notices in two Hawaii newspapers. Jeez.