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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: koan who wrote (57195)8/7/2009 1:10:39 PM
From: longnshort  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 59480
 
The country is conservative, check out the polls



To: koan who wrote (57195)8/7/2009 1:30:00 PM
From: longnshort2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 59480
 
And this is the "proof" that all the demonstrations are nothing more than astroturfing?

The dishonesty has to stop. From calling their fellow citizens who show up at these town halls to voice their concerns about the massive change in health care a "mob," to Obama ordering his millions of minions to report on their fellow citizens if they observe them spreading "lies" about health care reform, the Democrats are exhibiting the classic signs of paranoia; exaggerating a threat, seeing threats where there are none, dividing the world into "us" and "them" where "them are perceived as the enemy - how much more paranoid can you get and not be committed to an asylum?

Perhaps next time the left smears all conservatives as crazy, they should look to their own for signs of mental illness.

Lance Fairchok adds:

In comments to a reporter yesterday, Nancy Pelosi accused town hall protesters of "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare," a clear insinuation that anyone who is concerned or angry with the healthcare legislation the Democrats are trying to shove down Americas throat is a fascist, fanatic or fool. Her outrageous and over-the-top comments are part of a Democrat smear campaign against the American people. All the talking heads have come out.

"The "shout downs" organized by the Republican right meet one of the classic definitions of "fascist" tactics--defined as using shouting and disruption to deprive the civil and respectful debate of ideas. There is literally no defense to these tactics."
- Lanny Davis, Democrat Strategist

Mr. Davis is even calling for investigations as the Democrats frantically try to paint all the embarrassing confrontations at Democrat town halls around the country as a Republican-choreographed smear campaign. Instructed to sell healthcare legislation in their districts during the recess, legislators hoped to use the town hall fora to convince and cajole voters to support socialized healthcare. But their constituents are not buying into the talking points. Just like the Tea Parties that received so much snarky press commentary a few months ago, the Democrats cannot help but fall back into the arrogant elitism that assumes the peasants are too stupid to do this on their own, so someone must be pulling their strings.

It is also a tactic to diminish and demean the opposition. It used to be called turnspeak, a term coined by journalists observing Nazi propaganda during the annexation of the Sudetenland in World War II. You simply accuse your opponent of what you are in fact doing. Political propaganda and sleight of hand has changed over the years, it has become more subtle in the information age, now we have new, more nuanced types of falsehood, this one is called astroturfing.

Democrats are masters of astroturfing, defined as concocting fake "grass roots" or "community action" issues and protests to establish legitimacy and influence the public. It involves bussing in ACORN and union stalwarts to fill the ranks at protests, even paying people to carry signs. They arrive in nice busses with pre-printed placards and scripts of what to chant and say to the press. Just like the Democrat-enabled Code Pink protesters at congressional hearings, Democrats do not like leaving anything to chance, so they stack the deck, as it were, even going so far as to hire paid activists.

If you go to lefty sites like the Daily Kos, the comments are raging spittle-flying diatribes about dark conspiracies and apocalyptic confrontations with the vile bible-believing gun-toting fascists. Some are as hysterical as they are histrionic. They must know at some level, despite the monumental hypocrisy and moral relativism that their accusations very accurately describe the tactics they have been using for decades. Visibly shaken Democrat politicians are unable to calm the angry taxpayers with the normal transparent promises and pandering. What to do; oh what to do?

"This mob, sent by the local Republican and Libertarian parties, did not come just to be heard, but to deny others the right to be heard. And this appears to be part of a coordinated, nationwide effort. What could be more appropriate for the ‘party of no' than having its stalwarts drowning out the voices of their neighbors by screaming "just say no!"
- Rep. Lloyd Doggett, (D) Texas

They came to be heard all right, you just did not want to listen. Representative Doggett is careful to follow the talking points in his indignation. It is inconceivable for him to acknowledge that this is a true grass roots movement, with everyday citizen showing up to express their dissatisfaction. His constituents taking him to task over the appalling legislation he supports is nothing but a Republican and Libertarian conspiracy! Before our Democrat politicians became ideologues and socialists, they were merely crooks and panderers who attempted to please everyone and maintain the status quo of power. At least then, they would have pretended to listen. For today's socialist democrat, alienating a majority of your district is a badge of leftist courage.

Democrats want us to believe that they are empowered by a grass roots movement of average and disadvantaged Americans who want "social justice," which translates into massive government involvement in the environment, healthcare and the economy. Framing the debate with the populist language of "have-nots" getting their due from the exploitive "haves," they tell the voter they are leveling the playing field, ensuring "fairness," and righting the wrongs of the past. It is one of many "chicken in every pot" promises that never seems to "right" anything, certainly not crime or poverty in Democrat controlled cities and states. The taxes and capital flight that accompany their enlightened governance never seem to deter those who believe their lies.

The Democrats always forget that America is still a middle-class conservative country, whose citizens still admire hard work, honesty and truthfulness, ideals not common in the Democrat ranks. Democrats lie to themselves, they lie to each other and they lie to the taxpayer. They make no sense; assume we are fools, stacking one falsehood on top of another. Americans are seeing that clearly now finally, and they are mad. They should be. When you look and America in the eye and lie, you deserve what you get.

A well-deserved comeuppance is on the way.

americanthinker.com

h/t brumar



To: koan who wrote (57195)8/7/2009 6:59:47 PM
From: longnshort2 Recommendations  Respond to of 59480
 
Democrats resort to violence at town hall meeting. Why are you libs so violent.

MEHVILLE -- St. Louis County police arrested six people, including a Post-Dispatch reporter, during a demonstration Thursday evening outside a forum on aging called by U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis.

Two of the people were arrested on suspicion of assault, one of resisting arrest and three on suspicion of committing peace disturbances, police say.

The forum drew an overflow crowd of several hundred to Bernard Middle School gym in south St. Louis County. Dozens of people, many carrying signs about the health care debate, were kept out because of the turnout. The back and forth between factions within the crowd created a carnival-like atmosphere inside and out between members of the movement opposing President Barack Obama's policies and groups who came to show support for the president's proposals.

The six people were arrested after confrontations outside the school, said county police spokesman Rick Eckhard. Carnahan was gone when the ruckus started, Eckhard said.

Post-Dispatch reporter Jake Wagman, who was covering the event and shooting video for stltoday.com, was arrested for interference.

Post-Dispatch photographer Dawn Majors was at the scene and photographed the arrests. She said she heard Wagman yell her name and say that he was being taken into custody.

In a prepared statement released Friday morning, Carnahan said: "Sadly we've seen stories about disrupters around the country, and we have a handful of them here in Missouri. Instead of participating in a civil debate, they have mobilized with special interests in Washington who have lined their pockets by overcharging Americans for a broken health care system."

"I will continue to engage with constituents that I am honored to represent in Congress and fight to achieve long-overdue health insurance reform in our country," Carnahan said.

One of those arrested was Brian Matthews, 34, of St. Louis city, who works as a rehabber and previously worked on a campaign for a Texas statehouse candidate.

"I feel like it was a bull rush," Matthews said. "It all came from behind."

Matthews said he had been inside the forum because he is in favor of a public option for health care. He had attended with a friend, a 51-year-old woman. After it was over, they were walking outside and had a run-in with a man who was trying to videotape them. Matthews said that man from from the GOP. They reported the man to a police officer, who seemed uninterested, Matthews said.

As the pair walked to their car, they saw a man on the street who looks like he had been assaulted. Police surrounded him.

"My friend took pictures," Matthews said, "and an officer told her not to. She contested that."

Matthews said he and his friend walked away, arm in arm. The officer followed them, and Matthews friend exchanged words with the officer, Matthews said.

"I can't tell you how many police officers charged us from behind," Matthews said. "I was pushed to the ground by one. I was pushed into the back of somebody who was walking away."

Matthews said he was told he was arrested for interference. His friend was maced "after she was subdued by the police," Matthews said. She vomited on the side of the road, then later vomited more in the police car, he said.

Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack. ( HATE CRIME )

"It just seems there's no freedom of speech without being attacked," he said.

Members of the local Tea Party Coalition, a movement that has emerged to counter Obama's policies, had urged their members to attend Carnahan's forum, which in turn spurred Democrats to establish a strong presence.

Inside the gathering, while speakers stuck to aging issues, they were often interrupted by yells from audience members who wanted to shift the focus to health care.

"This isn't even close to civil," said Steve Belosi, 52, of Lake Saint Louis, commenting on the crowd. "The rudeness was beyond compare."

Added Joyce Flecke, 70, of south St. Louis County: "A complete waste of time."

Other recent Carnahan appearances, including one earlier this week on the Cash for Clunkers program, have drawn similar protests. And last week, hundreds turned out to voice their opinions on reforms to the staff of Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo.

Carnahan issued a statement after the Thursday night's forum, saying: "Sadly we've seen stories about disrupters around the country, and we have a handful of them here in Missouri. Instead of participating in a civil debate, they have mobilized with special interests in Washington who have lined their pockets by overcharging Americans for a broken health care system."

The St. Louis protests are part of the increasingly vocal debate across the country.

In the week since the House began its break, several town hall-style meetings have been disrupted by demonstrators. These episodes have drawn widespread media attention, and Republicans have seized on them as well as polls showing a decline in support for Obama and his agenda as evidence that public support is lacking for his signature legislation.

Energized conservative activists have vowed to fight Obama's policies.

The president wants to use the government's clout to subsidize coverage for millions now uninsured, regulate insurance companies more closely and attempt to slow the rise of medical costs.

The protesters insist they're part of a ground-level movement that represents real frustration with government spending and growth.

In Denver on Thursday, about 250 people on all sides of the health care debate waved signs and shouted slogans in front of the Stout Street Clinic as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi toured the medical clinic for the homeless.

"Just say no!" yelled those demonstrating against health care reform.

"Yes we can!" shouted back those who support Obama's plan.

The Republican Party says it's not behind the protests, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada scoffed at the notion that the protesters reflect grass-roots sentiment. He held up a piece of artificial turf during a session with reporters.

"These are nothing more than destructive efforts to interrupt a debate that we should have, and are having," Reid said. "They are doing this because they don't have any better ideas. They have no interest in letting the negotiators, even though few in number, negotiate. It's really simple: They're taking their cues from talk show hosts, Internet rumor-mongerers ... and insurance rackets."

Republicans answered.

"All the polls show there is serious concern, if not outright opposition, to the president's health care plan," said Antonia Ferrier, spokeswoman for House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio. "Democrats are ginning up this cynical shell game."