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To: Little Joe who wrote (101071)	8/20/2009 3:04:42 PM
From: NOW	4 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116555

"I think it is disingenuous to accuse the opponents of telling insane lies" If you think that, you really need help. What Palin and others have said are insane lies. There is no other way to describe what they have said.

To: Little Joe who wrote (101071)	8/20/2009 4:20:00 PM
From: Steve Lokness	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

but it is nonethless true that rationing is where the bill will take us. Well I sure as hell hope so! That should be the entire point of any health care debate - how to get the cost in line with what we can pay for. All the rest is just noise until this issue can be resolved. .....AND, that doesn't mean pulling the plug on granny. It might mean that if you are 94 and in need of a hip replacement - you will have to pay for it out of your savings.