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To: Lane3 who wrote (8715)	8/26/2009 4:33:18 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Yes, just because Marxism is wrong in so many ways, doesn't make every idea a Marxist has, immoral, impractical, or incorrect. As I point out periodically when the discussion brings such issues up, and argument or idea, isn't right or wrong because of the person who makes/has it. Maybe if the ONLY thing you have to go by is the fact that the person presenting the idea is a Marxist, and you have to make a decision now, the best guess might be to say "no", but its better to actually evaluate the idea independently of the person. Beyond that as much as I disagree with his ideas, I don't think Obama really is a Marxist. A statist? Sure. Taking a step towards marxism (and/or corporatism/fascist economics)? IMO yes. But making "a step towards", isn't completing the journey, or even necessarily indicative of wanting to complete the journey.

To: Lane3 who wrote (8715)	8/26/2009 9:24:07 PM
From: skinowski	3 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42652

cognitive bias in that statement shows up regularly not just with Marxists but with other disapproved classes of people such as atheists or gays or Yankee fans Yankee fans and gays didn't build the Gulag and didn't kill millions of people. They didn't build an aggressive expansionist empire which endangered the very survival of the world for decades -- while enslaving and abusing their own people, and doing the same to everyone else they could get their hands on. Marxists are totalitarian elitist by their very nature. They are also genuinely concerned about the "wellbeing" of everyone else - using THEIR understanding of the concept. Is Obama a marxist? I don't know. If he is, he is probably not a mature, "conscious" Marxist. In any case, steps towards larger government - and it's more ubiquitous involvement in our lives - lead in the direction of marxism -- and away from the ideals on which America was founded.... and which are the reason for our success as a nation.