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To: skinowski who wrote (8751)	8/27/2009 1:23:28 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 42652

Yes, agree -- but if the implementation of that idea involves dancing with the devil, it may prove to be a dangerous engagement. So you don't want to eat the "excellent strudel" made by the Nazi. Perhaps not literally (if you visited Germany before WWII, you might eat it and not care about the politics of the maker), but in a figurative sense with "strudel" standing in for political ideas, and Nazi substituting for Nazi, Communist, and their ilk.

To: skinowski who wrote (8751)	8/27/2009 4:35:28 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

What I'm is saying is - Yes, agree -- but if the implementation of that idea involves dancing with the devil, it may prove to be a dangerous engagement. OK. Thanks for the clarification. I did see the "yes, agree" part up thread but then your continued lecturing me on how awful Marxism is made no sense so I figured you didn't agree. I kinda enjoyed the conversation I enjoyed the conversation, too. However, I'm sensitive to prolonged colloquies tending to annoy some thread denizens so, if no new ground is being made, I offer to end them before there are complaints. What I'm is saying is - Yes, agree -- but if the implementation of that idea involves dancing with the devil, it may prove to be a dangerous engagement. Interesting. I've noticed that you seem to look at things in terms of evil, both the idea and the proponent of the idea. I almost never frame something as evil. I don't even frame things as "wrong." I tend to think of ideas as constructive or non-constructive, viable or unfeasible, sturdy or weak. I can't really get my head around Marxism as being evil. Not that it isn't, only that I don't deal with ideas that way. Evil implies a motivation and ideas don't have motivation. I'm very comfortable operating in the abstract so it's easy for me to separate my judgment of the idea from my judgment of the proponent. The ideas people have are only one input to my judgment of them. People are not the personification of any one idea they might have. I assure you that if I were drowning and the lifeguard was a Marxist, I'd let him save me and be very grateful and sing his praises. That doesn't mean I would consider converting to Marxism or sing its praises. I suppose you might say that this Marxist, having been praised by me for saving my life, might garner some capital that he would then have available to advance Marxism making the saving of my life a "dangerous engagement." I can see that as a risk, but it sure beats being drowned. Applying that to Obama and the original question, I can see where his opponents would not want to ever give him credit for anything because of the risk of his gaining capital from it making him stronger. But I don't have the stomach for that.