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To: Road Walker who wrote (508370)	8/27/2009 3:22:26 PM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576865

Democrat Congressman calls democrats brain dead. Key Democrat suggests party moderates 'brain dead' Aug 27 12:28 PM US/Eastern By ERICA WERNER Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - A key House liberal suggested Thursday that party moderates who've pushed for changes in health care legislation are "brain dead" and out for insurance company campaign donations. Moderate Blue Dog Democrats "just want to cause trouble," said Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., who heads the health subcommittee on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee. "They're for the most part, I hate to say, brain dead, but they're just looking to raise money from insurance companies and promote a right-wing agenda that is not really very useful in this whole process," Stark told reporters on a conference call. A spokeswoman for the Blue Dog caucus did not immediately respond to an e-mail request for comment. Thursday's call was being hosted by the liberal group Campaign for America's Future to release a report making the case for a strong new public health insurance plan to compete with private insurers as part of any health overhaul legislation. Health care legislation introduced in the House included a public plan with payment rates to providers modeled on Medicare rates. Doctors and hospitals say those rates are too low, but Stark and other liberals support the model, saying it would result in lower costs to the public. Stark's Ways and Means Committee passed a version of the bill with Medicare-style rates. But in the Energy and Commerce Committee, Blue Dogs pushed successfully for changes that would have a public plan with payment rates negotiated by the Health and Human Services secretary. The Blue Dogs said this would mean fairer rates to providers but Stark and others say it would be more expensive to the government and costlier to patients. The final form of the public plan in the House bill remains to be determined because versions passed by the Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, and Education and Labor committees must be reconciled once Congress returns from its summer recess after Labor Day.

To: Road Walker who wrote (508370)	8/27/2009 3:25:40 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1576865

Dems are throwing out the moderates lolol. Soon it will be a 3 state party, Calif, Mass. and DC

To: Road Walker who wrote (508370)	8/27/2009 4:06:22 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576865

RW, > You value them because they agree with you... There you go again, accusing me of faults that you yourself have just demonstrated a few minutes ago. At least I realize that my opinion is in the minority. I'm not some self-delusional idiot who has to pretend that his opinion is shared by "almost all" economists. But hey, I'm sure you got through life by always following the crowd, AMIRITE? Tenchusatsu

To: Road Walker who wrote (508370)	8/28/2009 12:21:08 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576865

>> No kidding the minority. The minority would say, I'm sure, that we had a bank liquidity crisis (which we all agree about, I suppose); most of those may agree that Bush's TARP program was essential in salvaging the economy. From there, your claims breaks down. The number who believe we needed, or should have passed, an $800 Billion stimulus is, no doubt, a much smaller number. And it pretty much breaks down into the liberal vs. conservative categorization -- the Krugmans want socialism, the Laffers want capitalism. You are really over-reaching with your suggestion that there is broad agreement about the stimulus package. Every competent economist who isn't a liberal today believes the deficit and debt Obama has created are huge problems. The concern over future inflation is, as it should be, very real. And the idea of dumping $100M/day in interest cost on American kids is so obviously wrong even ordinary people -- non-economists -- can see just how bad it is for our economy. You continue with your hyperbole about the economy, but the fact is, nobody believes that crap but you.