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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: gg cox who wrote (8918)	9/1/2009 11:35:11 AM
From: longnshort	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Rangel and other dems on Obama's cabinet don't pay their taxes so will they be 'gaming 'the Obama system ?

To: gg cox who wrote (8918)	9/1/2009 1:05:24 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Actually I was mentioning family members that didn't survive, but we've had no bankruptcies. Your premise and Kennedys was that strokes and cancer etc ruined ordinary people (the non-Kennedy's) financially, for generations even according to Kennedy, and it hasn't ruined my family, didn't preclude me going to college, etc etc. The point of single payer healthcare systems is that it largely does away with abuse and "gaming the system." Your cousin "gamed the system" by lying about his income...someone picked up the tab for his deceit. One, I find it amazing you're accusing my relative of gaming the system when thats what you want everyone to do. Second, he didn't lie about his income. He had very little income and none from working. He did have assets that he didn't tell people about. No one in his family even know what he'd inherited. Third, I don't believe anyone picked up the tab for him, the doctors and hospital agreed to charge him a lesser amount. Did they shift costs away? Based on the costs paid out of his estate of $50K +, I'd say no, more likely they simply didn't shift overhead costs onto his care as they do for most. How can taxpayers avoid paying their share of health care if on the tax roll and are paying taxes? In my cousins case, he had very little income to tax. Everywhere the weasel factor , did you read John's post.. Message 25907293 You complain about the weasel factor, but its a result (an unintended consequence) of government programs. People adapt to them and learn to game them. You are a citizen tax payer, paying your share for health care,you are sick and need treatment, you go for treatment...how can you "game that system" you don't get a bill and money is not exchanged at the hospital . Don't have taxable income, thats how. If you are out of work ,down on your luck, born with high weasel factor genetics, and good for nothing, well you can still weasel out treatment,, as now.<g>Should import "saving face" from Japan. The weasel factor is a universal result of flawed human character. Yes, you have it too. You justify it as noble humanitarianism. The problem for you is, that you are in the "the tip of the ice berg" category as Kennedy suggests,no waiting times for you,red carpet treatment and your employer is probably picking up your tab or you are slow witted but with big bucks <g> and are happy to pay $14,400 per year premiums and rising...the pacman is chewing from the under side of the berg. IOW you're calling me an evil rich guy. Standard for socialist minded liberals. Well, I'm not a Kennedy, whatever I have I worked for which makes me different from Ted K right there. "no waiting times for you, red carpet treatment" - I am sure I get only what is ordinary health care treatment for Americans.