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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (25129)	9/4/2009 2:05:44 AM
From: Maurice Winn	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36918

My climate model from 22 years ago is better than the models they run now. My model showed that CO2 is a good thing and not a pollutant. The models showing runaway warming are obviously wrong because there isn't runaway warming, nor sea level rise. It's a competition between models to see which best matches what happens. So far, mine is going well. Models are just different ideas about what might happen. Anyone can make a model. Mqurice

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (25129)	9/4/2009 11:32:31 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36918

computer models??? do you think a computer engineer would know how a computer model would work and the flaws that could be in it ??

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (25129)	9/5/2009 1:13:45 AM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36918

Vint, engineers are long on science and causal relationships. Before they even get into engineering, they have to perform science at a higher level than do people who go on to do science degrees. <Engineering is not a discipline usually associated with environmental studies--although civil engineering usually studies how their projects may effect the local environment. > In fact, civil engineering includes geology, not just "local environment". There is everything from relativity theory to high level maths, chemistry and materials science. My job in BP included environmental studies. The oil industry is full of chemistry and the biological effects of it - laboratory people for a start are involved with all sorts of chemistry. Who do you think handles all the poop that comes out of people? It's engineers with their knowledge of environmental issues too. Engineers can easily read up on environmental issues and understand them and come up with good ideas which are actually rational and economic. Hand-waving environmental enthusiasts who say you can't put a price on human life might mean well, but are not much use in actually making things happen in a sensible way. We can put a price on human life and those Denialists do too, though they claim prices can't be assigned. The price they put on life is actually shockingly low. People don't need to actually say a number with a dollar sign. We can judge by their actions what they really think various human lives are worth. Mqurice