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To: LindyBill who wrote (322803)	9/5/2009 1:09:47 PM
From: Tom Clarke	4 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793955

If someone really is a communist, what are you supposed to call them?

To: LindyBill who wrote (322803)	9/5/2009 2:20:17 PM
From: FJB	10 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793955

You come off as a knuckle-dragger if you use them. Accurately labeling a person as communist or fascist makes me a knuckle-dragger. Well, I am a proud knuckle-dragger. You will notice that none of the main-line commentators on the right that I post use either term. It labels them a hack if they do. Glad I don't have to be as PC as them. I'm just a person trying to express what I think is truth. I will gladly accept the label "hack" if that is what is necessary. Honesty, truth, accuracy are all good things as far as I know. I'm going to keep thinking that.

To: LindyBill who wrote (322803)	9/11/2009 2:54:00 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793955

"Fascist" and "Communist" have been relegated to "namecalling" today. Most of the time that's what they are. Sometimes there may be a connection between the person being insulted and fascism or communism, but its usually distant. OTOH sometimes its not so distant at least for some of the person's ideas. And when you bring it up you still get considered to be a knuckle-dragger or a partisan hack, even when your just pointing out reality. I wouldn't say that Obama is a fascist or a communist or even a fully fledged socialist, but there is a connection between some of the ideas he supports (and some of the people he appoints) and fascism and/or socialism. The problem with using "fascist" (other than the fact that it will cause some to reject your statements without thinking about them) is that it usually refers to ultra nationalists and carries connotations of concentration camps. Obama isn't an ultra-nationalist, and he isn't calling for or supporting anything like concentration camps. Sometime I use "corporatism" because that word while not strictly focused on the economic policies of fascists, is more connected to them, but the problem with that term is that most people have no idea what it means. Some times I'll use "economic fascism", or "supports the economic ideas of the fascists (or "fascists and socialists", the two have a lot more in common than most people seem to think). The problem with using "socialist" (again other then the fact that it will cause some to tune out), is that many of Obama's ideas amount to government control without actual ownership, that is more corporatist/fascist than socialist. (The "public option" would be socialist, but then the fascists also took ownership of some of the means of production of goods and services)